Donald Trump, US President #47, US President #45, convicted felon, twice impeached, four times indicted, liable of rape, convicted for financial fraud, guilty of hiding hush money payments to porn actress in attempt to influence 2016 elections

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#1671188 15-Nov-2016 10:44

JWR:

When I see a reply like that, I think you are trying to lead me into a statement I didn't make or you are completely stupid.

There are a number of conclusions you could draw that wouldn't be anywhere near as inflammatory. Perhaps take a deep breath and offer the benefit of the doubt.

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#1671204 15-Nov-2016 11:08

Trump appoints Bannon. Nothing there to change my mind about him being a rotten person.

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#1671208 15-Nov-2016 11:11

Rikkitic:

Trump appoints Bannon. Nothing there to change my mind about him being a rotten person.

The US have elected him for change, it won't happen while he picks safe, conservative long-term people that aren't interested in change.

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#1671215 15-Nov-2016 11:33

networkn:

Rikkitic:

Trump appoints Bannon. Nothing there to change my mind about him being a rotten person.

The US have elected him for change, it won't happen while he picks safe, conservative long-term people that aren't interested in change.

Indeed they did. But I thought that the plan for change was to "Make America Great Again".

"Great" to me would mean having an objective for increasing freedom and wealth for all, so either economic liberalism as per what "establishment" GOP stood for (some change from Democrat values) and less state interference.

What they're getting is social conservatism combined with intervention in free markets, and strong authoritarianism. Bannon's involvement assures it. It's a government for wartime - very effective for Winston Churchill of course, but it isn't those times - and I suspect Churchill would have been on the other side - opposing Trump's regime.

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#1671217 15-Nov-2016 11:35

networkn:

The US have elected him for change, it won't happen while he picks safe, conservative long-term people that aren't interested in change.

I'd kind of hoped that "change" might have meant "progress" - not a reversion to the times when men were men, women knew their place, and n*ggers ran scared.

Because that's the consequence of the kind of "conservatism" that Trump is implementing. Whole new classes / cultures denied the rights of citizenship, to be treated as less than human.

That is not what made America "great".

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#1671235 15-Nov-2016 12:01

He said what he said to get to where he is. Means nothing to me. Did show the world what kind of person he is. But he was an open book. Or so the Americans were led to believe.

What he's going to do next, not even he knows.

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#1671263 15-Nov-2016 13:03

joker97: He said what he said to get to where he is. Means nothing to me. Did show the world what kind of person he is. But he was an open book. Or so the Americans were led to believe.

What he's going to do next, not even he knows.

Yes he did say what he said to get where he is. Now that's where I have a problem, as many of those things that he said were very similar to the things that Hitler was saying, inciting xenophobic sentiment, negatively stereotyping entire classes, races and cultures, promoting economic isolationism, and promising "action" on those issues to "Make America Great Again".

Remove those "promises" from his campaign, and what are you left with? A tycoon playboy dirty_old_man with a gold-plated 757 and a history of not being very nice to people.

So I presume we do know what the people voted for?

Even forgetting the racist xenophobic crap, look at something a little more pragmatic and business orientated - some are heralding Trump's wealth as an indication that he's a "good businessman". He's promised to renege on a whole bunch of agreements that the US has made with other nations. If he carries through with those threats to tear up contracts, how would you feel about negotiating any future agreement with the US? I suggest that the effect would be considerable loss of trust. Compare that to a deal you've got with your bank for a mortgage, if they screwed up the contract and threw it on the floor even if it was their "right" to do so - would you deal with them again when you wanted a credit card or place to put a term deposit? Or if they merely wanted to "renegotiate" the contract, then would you willingly and happily sign another contract that was changed - to help "Make The Bank Great Again"? I expect you might - but only if a gun was held to your head. Ooops.

Trump is only going to succeed if he relinquishes all of his promises, or becomes defacto fuhrer and forces the rest of the world (and his own nation) to do what he tells them to do. That method of management is very effective when running casinos, apparently, but it's not going to work for a president trying to run a country and to maintain international relations.

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#1671287 15-Nov-2016 13:23

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joker97: He said what he said to get to where he is. Means nothing to me. Did show the world what kind of person he is. But he was an open book. Or so the Americans were led to believe.

What he's going to do next, not even he knows.

Yes he did say what he said to get where he is. Now that's where I have a problem, as many of those things that he said were very similar to the things that Hitler was saying, inciting xenophobic sentiment, negatively stereotyping entire classes, races and cultures, promoting economic isolationism, and promising "action" on those issues to "Make America Great Again".

Remove those "promises" from his campaign, and what are you left with? A tycoon playboy dirty_old_man with a gold-plated 757 and a history of not being very nice to people.

Correct. No one in the entire world so far has disputed that

So I presume we do know what the people voted for?

I guess we do. Just like Brexit.

Even forgetting the racist xenophobic crap, look at something a little more pragmatic and business orientated - some are heralding Trump's wealth as an indication that he's a "good businessman". He's promised to renege on a whole bunch of agreements that the US has made with other nations. If he carries through with those threats to tear up contracts, how would you feel about negotiating any future agreement with the US? I suggest that the effect would be considerable loss of trust. Compare that to a deal you've got with your bank for a mortgage, if they screwed up the contract and threw it on the floor even if it was their "right" to do so - would you deal with them again when you wanted a credit card or place to put a term deposit? Or if they merely wanted to "renegotiate" the contract, then would you willingly and happily sign another contract that was changed - to help "Make The Bank Great Again"? I expect you might - but only if a gun was held to your head. Ooops.

Trump is only going to succeed if he relinquishes all of his promises, or becomes defacto fuhrer and forces the rest of the world (and his own nation) to do what he tells them to do. That method of management is very effective when running casinos, apparently, but it's not going to work for a president trying to run a country and to maintain international relations.

You are absolutely right.

But your point being?

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#1671288 15-Nov-2016 13:26

This is mildly alarming if the worst case scenario plays out.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11748393

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#1671292 15-Nov-2016 13:36

networkn:

This is mildly alarming if the worst case scenario plays out.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11748393

Handing the biggest wolf in the pack the keys to the sheep pen?

What could possibly go wrong?

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#1671294 15-Nov-2016 13:40

networkn:

This is mildly alarming if the worst case scenario plays out.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11748393

For someone that promised to side with the middle man instead of the elites, you can be sure this move means all bankers, investment companies, brokers will be laughing all the way to the bank.

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#1671314 15-Nov-2016 13:48

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networkn:

This is mildly alarming if the worst case scenario plays out.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11748393

For someone that promised to side with the middle man instead of the elites, you can be sure this move means all bankers, investment companies, brokers will be laughing all the way to the bank.

Until it's triggered GFC The Sequel, and they realise that Trumpy just spent all the money he could have used to bail them out again - on walls and tax cuts.

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#1671321 15-Nov-2016 13:53

The morons who voted for Trump (not all Trump voters, just the morons) must really be enjoying the way he is sticking it to the establishment.

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#1671327 15-Nov-2016 14:00

Rikkitic:

The morons who voted for Trump (not all Trump voters, just the morons) must really be enjoying the way he is sticking it to the establishment.

By definition, they will have no idea anyway, so they will be happy regardless. Everything bad is the fault of Obama.

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