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  #3118379 21-Aug-2023 08:40
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sen8or:

 

Perhaps this could be separated out from maths when it starts getting beyond simple equations, percentages, fractions etc. There are numerous elements taught in maths that are simply not needed for a large proportion of the population, yet form part of the base curriculum.

 

 

I consider teaching mathematics in its pure form to be quite valuable, but it shouldn't be a compulsory subject for many students beyond, let's say, primary school. By then, you should be able to do simple algebra needed for basic life skills... multiplication, division and solving for x without an exponential element. I was surprised at 13 years old, just how many struggled with simple algebra used regularly, including something as simple as 2x + 3 = 12.

 

More advanced mathematics should be offered to those who show aptitude in the subject. They should not have their learning curtailed because others can't keep up, which is exactly what has been happening for decades.

 

That is how I feel about education in general, and the approach I feel we need to take if NZ is to move away from being a farming nation to a world leader in technical innovation. Stop pandering to the lowest common denominator and focus on advancing those students with the greatest skills. Progressing through the grades should be based on skill, not a right. Universities should focus on research and attendance should only be available top achievers, by invitation.




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  #3118441 21-Aug-2023 11:12

GV27:

 

Somewhat bizarrely no one is asking how they plan on teaching financial literacy to empty chairs. There's also the added bonus of numeracy and literacy rates being well below par, but we're suddenly going to add something else into the mix for kids to not learn. 

 

I grow a bit alarmed at this kind of policy, which seems to oddly mirror boomer memes about schools teaching them algebra they never used but not how to fill out a tax return, as if we're going to be able to give kids who can't do level two maths the level of insight needed to fill out a tax return - nevermind that professionals spend years at university level to get there. It smacks of more focus-group driven announcements.

 

It sounds good, as long as you don't stop to think about it too much.  

 

 

As usual the devil is in the execution.  My youngest has done Banqer at primary school, and despite a half-hearted effort by the teacher (and most financially illiterate teachers will half-hearted at best), gained some valuable knowledge and experience from it.

 

My eldest is doing the Banqer Month Money at present and finding the information and tasks fascinating.  Everything from CV's, budgeting, renting, buying a house, Kiwisaver etc And there is Banqer, GetWise, Sorted in Schools, Moneytime etc etc already running in NZ so what is being re-invented here?  Sorted in Schools is a fully funded Government programme for year 9-13 kids (including NCEA) offered by the Office of the Retirement Commissioner since 2021.......    





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  #3118456 21-Aug-2023 11:29

Another Labour party about face https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/496247/core-reading-writing-and-maths-teaching-requirements-to-be-made-compulsory

 

 

 

From March this year when the National Party announced its education policy:

 

The NZ Principals Federation previous statement: "President Leanne Otene said funding for counsellors in every school and trained specialist teachers for extreme behavioural needs was what the industry needs, not “another round of national standards”.

 

And the NZEI: “The curriculum is not the problem, and the last thing we want is to see is it being designed by politicians,” NZEI president Mark Potter said.

 

And the Education Minister stating: Tinetti, a former principal, told Newstalk ZB she was “disappointed” education had become a political football and urged the Opposition to co-operate on finding evidence-based solutions to address problems in the sector.

 

It seems that focus groups have again been the basis for Labour Party policy.  Clearly the feedback from voters that our education standards arent up to scratch has resulted in more policy that is at odds with their own core supporters in the education sector.  Gotta be a slap to the former workmates.  

 

Maybe that the OneNew poll out tonight is really dire and something had to be announced to draw attention elsewhere????





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  #3118457 21-Aug-2023 11:34
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After nearly 6 years of inaction with an election looming and poor poll results we suddenly see a flourish of activity.

Two questions.

You have wonder what drives their priorities?

Based on past performance with execution one has to wonder what success if any will be achieved with these announcements?




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  #3118461 21-Aug-2023 12:08

Technofreak: After nearly 6 years of inaction with an election looming and poor poll results we suddenly see a flourish of activity.

Two questions.

You have wonder what drives their priorities?

Based on past performance with execution one has to wonder what success if any will be achieved with these announcements?

 

 

 

Exactly.  My favourite over the last two weeks is that Labour and its Maori caucus have offered nothing to Maori voters over the weekend except the Kermadec ocean sanctuary. 

 

Nothing like ramming through legislation before an election.   

 

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pro/last-ditch-bid-to-push-through-contentious-kermadec-ocean-sanctuary





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  #3118463 21-Aug-2023 12:19
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Exactly.  My favourite over the last two weeks is that Labour and its Maori caucus have offered nothing to Maori voters over the weekend except the Kermadec ocean sanctuary. 

 

Nothing like ramming through legislation before an election.   

 

 

I suspect they spent a lot longer on some of the policy agendas that they dumped than they are letting on. It does seem like a lot of this policy is rushed/reactionary (see: North West Auckland transport already announced by National weeks ago) which suggests they spent their time on something else. 

 

They certainly didn't spend it on a coherent policy platform. 


 
 
 
 

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  #3118479 21-Aug-2023 12:42

GV27:

 

 

 

I suspect they spent a lot longer on some of the policy agendas that they dumped than they are letting on. It does seem like a lot of this policy is rushed/reactionary (see: North West Auckland transport already announced by National weeks ago) which suggests they spent their time on something else. 

 

They certainly didn't spend it on a coherent policy platform. 

 

 

What goads me is the number of people who criticise an Opposition for opposing and cry out for the Opposition to put forward better ideas.  Its periods like the last few weeks where the Government desperately adopts Opposition policies weeks or months after decrying them when they should have been developing and executing policies during their term.

 

Its no wonder an Opposition only releases policies coming into an election, else they stand to be nothing more than a think tank for a clueless Government.





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  #3118619 21-Aug-2023 14:42
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-national-to-roll-back-free-prescription-fees-to-pay-for-13-cancer-treatments/EPAG5IYQDFFZ3GYWOUMC4B6JFM/

 

National will reinstate the $5 prescription fee and use it to pay for 13 cancer treatments unavailable in NZ currently. Interesting that the fee would only apply to "those who can afford it", but how do they plan to police it?


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  #3118621 21-Aug-2023 14:43
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quickymart:

 

National will reinstate the $5 prescription fee and use it to pay for 13 cancer treatments unavailable in NZ currently. Interesting that the fee would only apply to "those who can afford it", but how do they plan to police it?

 

 

Community Services card, over 65s etc. The same way it was done in the past.


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quickymart:

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-national-to-roll-back-free-prescription-fees-to-pay-for-13-cancer-treatments/EPAG5IYQDFFZ3GYWOUMC4B6JFM/

 

National will reinstate the $5 prescription fee and use it to pay for 13 cancer treatments unavailable in NZ currently. Interesting that the fee would only apply to "those who can afford it", but how do they plan to police it?

 

 

I don't hate this. I think the CSC thresholds are basically unsurvivable and need massively adjusting upwards, but I don't object to using these funds to give access to medicines if the alternative is not having access to them at all. 

 

 


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  #3118889 22-Aug-2023 07:55
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I think its fair enough, $5 for most isn't a lot of money for a prescription that they may only need once in a while and for those that $5 is a meaningful sum, the likes of the CSC or similar would kick in. 


 
 
 
 

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  #3118894 22-Aug-2023 08:06
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So the latest polls are in and its not looking pretty for labour so far - 

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-pm-chris-hipkins-responds-to-labours-worst-result-in-six-years-in-latest-1news-verian-poll/CDV2KW2L3JAHZJMIWGYGURYPPQ/

 

Its not like its an isolated poll, the trend of the last few polls has all been heading the wrong way for labour. There are undecided / non committal voters (12%) and there is always a margin of error in the polls too so the absolute results are best taken with a grain of salt. Hipkins is understandably putting a positive spin on it, relying on "campaigning hard" to get re-elected. Question is though, what are they going to use as a campaign platform?

 

They can't use recent achievements, there really aren't any.'

 

They can't use the economy, its in the crapper.

 

They can splash the cash around and promise the world, but that opens them up for scrutiny (another "show me the money" moment opportunity). Voters were gullible enough in 2017 to believe the campaign slogans, maybe they are hoping voters would have forgotten all the broken promises?

 

The can't campaign on the strength and depth of their team.

 

Perhaps they are wanting to rely on the debates, I think this is where labour could have the edge on National, Hipkins and Robertson are far more seasoned than Luxton/Willis and they could come across better, but whether or not thats enough to build some sort of momentum?

 

My suspicion is that all the seats that were traditionally national that went labours way last election will turn back to National. 

 

 

 

 


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  #3118901 22-Aug-2023 08:41
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Labour was on its knees after the 2008 election. They had campaign debts and insufficient donations to pay them. All the MPs had to contribute to pay the bills.

 

I think this time around Labour might be in an even more precarious position after the election. While I don't agree with many of their policies and think their current crop of MPs are inept we need a strong opposition party in parliament. 





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  #3118903 22-Aug-2023 08:46
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Technofreak:

 

I think this time around Labour might be in an even more precarious position after the election. While I don't agree with many of their policies and think their current crop of MPs are inept we need a strong opposition party in parliament. 

 

 

Agreed, I think part of the reason Labour was allowed to wallow in core policy failure and non-delivery for so long while sky-rocketing in the polls was largely by National looking like an ongoing implosion for nearly three years. 

 

Ultimately we've ended up worse off and we're only seeing the government actually look like wanting to take tangible steps when confronted with worsening poll numbers. Hardly a win-win for everyday people. 


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  #3119247 23-Aug-2023 08:54
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Another distraction for National. Talk about a case of sour grapes from outgoing MP, blaming (at least in part) the fact he is male on missing out on a higher list ranking

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/election-2023-outgoing-dunedin-mp-michael-woodhouse-contemplates-his-future/5LPX5ZP2JZFWBM56KK2ZLHYQ7U/

 

 


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