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  #3460418 11-Feb-2026 08:19
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GV27:

 

100%. It's quite weird to see other countries where they demonise 'swing voters', like the people making a decision based on the information available at the time are the problem.

 

I could not imagine voting for the same party every single time just because, without giving any thought to actual performance or policy merits.

 

Unfortunately I think we're now at the point where people can live in self-reinforcing bubbles and a huge chunk of their personal identity comes from their political leanings and having people agree with them. "No one I know voted for X" is no longer that far away from  "The election was stolen by Y".

 

Thankfully our options in NZ come from a pretty narrow political spectrum (Bill English was famously more left wing than Bernie Sanders) but if we're not careful, that won't always be the case. 

 

 

I look at the posts I get in my feeds on facebook, some from Labour, some from National. All are essentially negative campaigns against each other and the comments range from fanboy to vile, on both sides of the corridor. Its very easy to see how social media is fanning the flames of discontent and push whatever agenda your profile and/or past media consumption indicate who you support.

 

 




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  #3460424 11-Feb-2026 08:40
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sen8or:

 

I look at the posts I get in my feeds on facebook, 

 

 

 

 

That's part of the problem right there. Facebook is monetized outrage. I think people are a lot less polarised than it seems. But you are absolutely intended to get the opposite impression from Facebook, and encouraged to be your worst self in return.

 

I know in the Green Party we in the Green Geeks group are attempting to gently steer official communications towards other things like Mastodon. But the problem is, as others rightly point out, you gotta go where the eyeballs are. And as much as I hate it, most people are still quite attached to the Zuckerberg and Musk hate mills.

 

 





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  #3460878 12-Feb-2026 09:39
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Very unimpressed by the RBNZ review launched this week. If you check back through the thread, the fact there was no independent review of monetary policy actions and the increases in general inflation (and specifically, house price inflation) that resulted from it has frustrated me endlessly. It's certainly done little to quell the idea that there are massively influential decisions being made in some areas of the public sector with little reflection and close to zero accountability. 

 

But this should have in play the second after Willis had her briefing as an incoming minister. Orr is gone, Quigley is gone, the bank has had a trial by media over their ever-increasing staff numbers and operational costs. Doing it now three years after it should have happened can solve no problem, other than highlight the absurdity that it hasn't happened already - but now that's as much on National as it is on Labour.




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  #3460934 12-Feb-2026 10:47
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Very unimpressed by the RBNZ review launched this week. If you check back through the thread, the fact there was no independent review of monetary policy actions and the increases in general inflation (and specifically, house price inflation) that resulted from it has frustrated me endlessly. It's certainly done little to quell the idea that there are massively influential decisions being made in some areas of the public sector with little reflection and close to zero accountability. 

 

But this should have in play the second after Willis had her briefing as an incoming minister. Orr is gone, Quigley is gone, the bank has had a trial by media over their ever-increasing staff numbers and operational costs. Doing it now three years after it should have happened can solve no problem, other than highlight the absurdity that it hasn't happened already - but now that's as much on National as it is on Labour.

 

 

 

 

It's an election year, and National have been watching the polls tipping towards the Labour bloc because despite their efforts the economy has not improved and people are getting a bit sick of Luxon and Willis blaming Labour for it. They're panicking a bit. Having a review of RBNZ now will remind people how angry they were at Labour post-COVID, and give National an independent confirmation they can repeat ad infinitum about how it really was Labour that broke everything.

 

If they really wanted an inquiry into it for honest reasons - this would now be the third inquiry into COVID - then it should have been launched right back at the beginning of their term when the players were all still there and everything was fresh in mind. Very difficult to see announcing it out of the blue right now, when the election campaigns have begun, as anything but performative.





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  #3460947 12-Feb-2026 11:07
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Some of the RBNZ Govt problem with policy is that stabilizing housing prices does mean that prices may go down for a time.
Given some oscillation of prices of anything around its trend.

 

The market knows as soon as there is a hint, policy will adjust to make sure overgeared are ok.
Short term measures even if no hint of a long term problem.

 

Start of Covid I seem to remember an almost panicked statement from RBNZ that house prices would go down, long before there was any structural movement.
Returning NZers some who may never have paid tax in NZ for decades or ever, blew the market up. 
Shaking that large bump out of the market afterwards, no chance it must always go up.

 

In the past we have had easing of restrictions on student visa holders buying property, various easing of other overseas categories. Stuff to pump markets over the years. 
Or reducing/eliminating Government support for building more and measures to encourage infill cities need.

 

The electorate has got what it wanted and seems to panic at any hint of price correction or stability.
I would expect parties polling the public get this message very loud and clear.
A couple are willing to do a bit more, but it would be a rare and short lived politician who would say prices should go down a bit from time to time.

 

Until people start voting and reacting differently?


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  #3460966 12-Feb-2026 11:55
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SaltyNZ:

 

If they really wanted an inquiry into it for honest reasons - this would now be the third inquiry into COVID - then it should have been launched right back at the beginning of their term when the players were all still there and everything was fresh in mind. Very difficult to see announcing it out of the blue right now, when the election campaigns have begun, as anything but performative.

 

 

I don't think it's even performative, I think it's a chance to pin something, anything on Hipkins et al. 

 

FWIW there doesn't seem to have been oodles of reflection from Labour either, or acceptance that there was a fumble when it came to the structure of the MPC and oversight of the bank's actual performance, but like you say, the time for this was two years ago, not now. 

 

And I guess National doesn't exactly have a stack of runs on the board in terms of meaningful reform, debt reduction or other achievements to really point to either. 


 
 
 
 

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  #3460993 12-Feb-2026 13:39
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Also, so it's clear - I'm not against the idea of a review of the RBNZ's actions during COVID. Any major emergency response should should always be reviewed later as standard practice - it certainly is at all the telcos I have experience with. By definition you always have only a limited window to consider your options with imperfect information before you must act, or else your response becomes 'do nothing' by default.

 

I don't recall the terms of reference of the original Labour-initiated COVID review but if RBNZ wasn't considered, it should have been.

 

If this government is honestly interested in a proper review, the right time to do it was immediately after coming into office. The best time now would have been to wait till after the election and if they won it, then announce a review. Announcing it now reeks of party political point scoring, regardless of the purity of their intentions.





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  #3460994 12-Feb-2026 13:41
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SaltyNZ: Announcing it now reeks of party political point scoring, regardless of the purity of their intentions.

 

 

The faithful won't care.





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  #3460998 12-Feb-2026 13:57
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Something going on with Gerry Brownlee's pecuniary interests declarations:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/parliaments-speaker-gerry-brownlee-has-been-incorrectly-declaring-his-property-ownership-for-two-decades/premium/DY6IWD52X5DA7BKGD3IWS4IEKY/

Paywall at the Herald. I expect other news services will be catching up on the interests register and preparing their own articles for the evening news..

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  #3461041 12-Feb-2026 17:18
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Alternate link: https://archive.ph/lsbet

 

 


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  #3461150 13-Feb-2026 09:35
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These are always weird to me; make the declarations for anything you have any sort of interest in, let the parliamentary staff tell you what should and shouldn't be included. It's literally a function of parliament to promote transparency. They're there to make sure it's correct. 


 
 
 

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Looks like ferry passengers now join Astronauts in that you rescue yourself or, wait.
Maybe you can catch a passing large sanitary pad, join the floaties. :-)
If you can't too bad.

 

Luxon, move along nothing to see here.
We cancelled ferries for future LNG dependency, and higher prices today, be grateful.
Only a billion dollar LNG project a bargain, now its 2.7B, tomorrow?  

 

Relying on tug boat from Australia risks lives, council leaders say
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/586770/relying-on-tug-boat-from-australia-risks-lives-council-leaders-say

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In November it was announced the government had sunk plans to station an open ocean tug in the Cook Strait long-term after it said the costs outweighed the benefits.

 

The government also announced it would end the contract for the MMA Vision open ocean tug this month, rather than June when it was contracted for.

 

For years local government leaders on either side of the North and South Island had been calling for open ocean tugs after several near-miss accidents.

 

One of these was in January 2023 when the Interisland ferry Kaitaki was sailing into Wellington Harbour with 854 passengers on board and lost power, which resulted in a mayday call.
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  #3461192 13-Feb-2026 12:13
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GV27:

 

These are always weird to me; make the declarations for anything you have any sort of interest in, let the parliamentary staff tell you what should and shouldn't be included. It's literally a function of parliament to promote transparency. They're there to make sure it's correct. 

 

 

 

 

Michael Wood was forced to resign over a far less serious breach... I hope Luxon applies the same standards to his guy as he roared that Labour should over theirs.





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  #3461324 13-Feb-2026 16:34
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“So my question today to Mr Hipkins and his colleague Barbara Edmonds is pretty straightforward, will they commit to retaining Investment Boost as a permanent fixture of our tax settings to unlock growth, or will it be sacrificed to fund higher spending?”

 

 

 

 

/Me eyes the pile of legislation her government has burnt to the ground. I mean, I don't think Investment Boost is a super high priority but surely you're having a laugh, Ms. Willis. "Please be a lot less petty than we are" isn't really the appeal you seem to think it is.





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  #3461892 16-Feb-2026 13:56
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Seymour playing for his crowd.

 

 

He said ACT's first mission was to keep them out of power. Seymour said if he'd had a dollar for every person who told him they'd leave New Zealand if Labour got back into power, ACT's fundraising would be done for the year.

 

 

But I suppose if he had a dollar for every person who had actually left the country during his three years in government, ACT's fundraising would be done for the decade.

 

 

 

 





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