Donald Trump, US President #47, US President #45, convicted felon, twice impeached, four times indicted, liable of rape, convicted for financial fraud, guilty of hiding hush money payments to porn actress in attempt to influence 2016 elections

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#1708613 24-Jan-2017 12:37

On the popular vote, I think the issue that matters and should be taken seriously is not whether Trump won the popular vote, but the indisputable fact (not alternate) that he did, in any case, win a big chunk of it. A lot of people voted for him. That alone disturbs me.

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#1708618 24-Jan-2017 12:45

Rikkitic:

On the popular vote, I think the issue that matters and should be taken seriously is not whether Trump won the popular vote, but the indisputable fact (not alternate) that he did, in any case, win a big chunk of it. A lot of people voted for him. That alone disturbs me.

The breakdown of Republican voters and Trump voters would be interesting.

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#1708627 24-Jan-2017 12:57

FTFY

Fred99: Another ~~lie~~ alternative fact from Sean Spicer:

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#1708630 24-Jan-2017 13:01

Fred99:

MikeAqua:

Going after a child is extremely disgraceful.

As is using an unequal power relationship to "go after" any innocent defenceless human being.

Apologists for Trump attempting to use that as ammunition with which to shoot liberals are hypocrites.

One wrong does not justify another wrong. Never has. Never will.

I'm not an apologist for Trump.

I do think it is 'fair-game' to (by lawful means) go after any able-minded adult who criticises you publicly. Politics is not tiddlywinks. If you publicly criticise a politician, expect retaliation. I apply that to any politician of any ideology.

Genuinely aggrieved parties can always sue for defamation as at least two people successfully did against a high profile NZ PM.

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#1708631 24-Jan-2017 13:02

darylblake:

This goes to explain why it is a Republic run by an electoral college system and not a pure democracy with a majority rules. It is there to protect some states from others.

In my humble (but frankly irrelevant) opinion, the president should be chosen by popular vote. Congress on the other hand, which is actually representative of the states and makes the laws, is the appropriate place for such protections.

FYI Clinton would be an awful president, much on par with Trump

I don't agree personally. I think she would make a great president and is a far better leader. Is she perfect? No, but she has done many great things for America - unlike Trump.

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#1708635 24-Jan-2017 13:06

MikeAqua:

Fred99:

MikeAqua:

Going after a child is extremely disgraceful.

As is using an unequal power relationship to "go after" any innocent defenceless human being.

Apologists for Trump attempting to use that as ammunition with which to shoot liberals are hypocrites.

One wrong does not justify another wrong. Never has. Never will.

I'm not an apologist for Trump.

I do think it is 'fair-game' to (by lawful means) go after any able-minded adult who criticises you publicly. Politics is not tiddlywinks. If you publicly criticise a politician, expect retaliation. I apply that to any politician of any ideology.

Genuinely aggrieved parties can always sue for defamation as at least two people successfully did against a high profile NZ PM.

Also worth noting that Children are the most defenceless of all victims which to my mind makes it even worse. I don't think her apology is enough in this instance. I tend to be fairly forgiving and believe people make mistakes, but this one, wow.

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#1708655 24-Jan-2017 13:22

networkn:

Also worth noting that Children are the most defenceless of all victims which to my mind makes it even worse. I don't think her apology is enough in this instance. I tend to be fairly forgiving and believe people make mistakes, but this one, wow.

A male vice-chancellor would have been forced to resign already.

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#1708656 24-Jan-2017 13:22

MikeAqua:

Fred99:

MikeAqua:

Going after a child is extremely disgraceful.

As is using an unequal power relationship to "go after" any innocent defenceless human being.

Apologists for Trump attempting to use that as ammunition with which to shoot liberals are hypocrites.

One wrong does not justify another wrong. Never has. Never will.

I'm not an apologist for Trump.

I do think it is 'fair-game' to (by lawful means) go after any able-minded adult who criticises you publicly. Politics is not tiddlywinks. If you publicly criticise a politician, expect retaliation. I apply that to any politician of any ideology.

Genuinely aggrieved parties can always sue for defamation as at least two people successfully did against a high profile NZ PM.

I wasn't accusing you of being an apologist for Trump.

Balance is needed, one person at the centre of this (Trump) did, on multiple occasions, "go after" defenseless individuals and groups of people in a disgraceful way.

That out of many thousand people actively opposing Trump, some step over the line is inevitable.

That it's being used (this - and one or two other incidents) by the alt:right in an attempt to discredit opposition to Trump is (IMO) actually the biggest wrong here.

Why? - Because it causes the most harm.

Edit to add - if that's not the case (the unwise tweet or whatever it was attacking Barron becoming a meme for the alt:right) - then discussion about it in this thread is getting off-topic.

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#1708668 24-Jan-2017 13:37

networkn:

Also worth noting that Children are the most defenceless of all victims which to my mind makes it even worse.

That's very precious under the circumstances.

Children are legitimate military targets, according to the POTUS.

"When you get these terrorists," Trump said, "you have to take out their families."

<and the crowd cheered>
source (of many)

I'm not buying into the outrage by conservative snowflakes on facebook and twitter about one misguided attempt at humour by somebody I'd never heard of. It's pathetic.

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#1708674 24-Jan-2017 13:40

Fred99:

I wasn't accusing you of being an apologist for Trump.

I wasn't accusing you of accusing me of being an apologist for Trump

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#1708681 24-Jan-2017 13:43

Young children should not be the target because of what their parents do. Anyone doing so will never get my support, it is a cowardly disgusting tactic.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1708734 24-Jan-2017 14:03

Guns and education:

(Betsy Devos confirmation hearing)

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#1708749 24-Jan-2017 14:26

MikeAqua:
networkn:

Also worth noting that Children are the most defenceless of all victims which to my mind makes it even worse. I don't think her apology is enough in this instance. I tend to be fairly forgiving and believe people make mistakes, but this one, wow.

A male vice-chancellor would have been forced to resign already.

I'm not getting the vice chancellor bit. It was a tweet from a Saturday night live writer that networkn linked?

Saturday Night Live is a humor show. I agree this kind of thing crosses the line by a long way. Clearly they have no sensible guidelines when it comes to things like that.

I don't see any reason for these shows to mention Barron Trump, for similar reasons networkn outlined earlier.

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#1708754 24-Jan-2017 14:43

It shouldn't surprise me, but it did:

CBS Confirms Trump Brought His Own Studio Audience To Clap For Him At CIA Speech

All hail the emperor, huh?

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#1708762 24-Jan-2017 14:59

jarledb:

It shouldn't surprise me, but it did:

CBS Confirms Trump Brought His Own Studio Audience To Clap For Him At CIA Speech

All hail the emperor, huh?

I read the other day he was offering low cost entry to his balls.

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