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Fred99:
One of Trump's tweets this morning:
Here's the article: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/25/compromise-doesnt-work-political-opponents-chelsea-manning
The "weakness" referred to is actually a (metaphorical - hopefully) "call to arms" to fight dirty tyrants like Trump (and his supporters) by using similar dirty tactics - rather than to "go high" (which probably more relevant to this topic, was a failed tactic for Hillary Clinton). Trump's obsession with Obama is often "whataboutism". Trump's the president now - he should be head down / backside up and start behaving like one.
I wish I didn't have to agree with what Manning is saying - but Trump will not be taken down by reasoned rational discussion.
Yet Trump is the guy who for years accused Obama of being a liar and not being born in the USA.
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Fred99:
Godwin's thought on Godwin's Law:
"If you’re thoughtful about it and show some real awareness of history, go ahead and refer to Hitler or Nazis when you talk about Trump. Or any other politician"
(Mike Godwin, December 14 2016)
Does Godwin's Law apply to Mussolini?
I don't think that President PostTruth is as clever as Hitler - he is much more like Benito Mussolini in appearance and intellect:
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Common sense is not as common as you think.
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MikeB4: I live in hope that Mr Trump will moderate his language etc.
You will most likely die disappointed 
tdgeek: I feel this is where you two and I disagree. I don't see an authoritarian elite state and historical bloodshed, nor Trump unleashing forces. Bark is worse than his bite. GOP will reign him in when the globe yawns and can't be a$$ed with him. Trade deals may be common, amongst everyone else. But I don't see the WW3-like argument. He is out of his league, he will get that when he tries to implement his silly ideas.
As you say, we cannot see into the future, but that is my take on it. Over coming months, possible weeks, we will see more of a pattern. His executive orders to me are meaningless, its his action or inaction that will be more meaningful. Such as his jail her, then she has served us wonderfully for 30 years.
You've previously described him as a mouth only and it's good to see an expansion on that. I do have to disagree with the lack of harm you [seem] see in this though. We live in a world where diplomacy rules and when that fails the daggers get drawn. Trump appears to have a level of diplomacy somewhere around zero. As per a previous post, the doomsday clock has been moved forward 30 seconds - not bad for a mouth. Fisher and Paykell are talking of moving US targeted manufacturing out of Mexico. They will keep the plant open for manufacturing targeted at other nations, but other companies who retract may not be as kind - not bad for a mouth.
His phone call to Taiwan, breaking with 40 years of foreign relations has deeply angered China who view Taiwan and their sovereignty over it as absolute. I have no doubt China will be prepared to go to war on this issue. Australia is now under pressure from the US to clarify it's position on Taiwan which will pit it against it's two largest trading partners. In the meantime Vietnam and Japan are feeling so nervous about this that Japan has promised US$1.4 billion to Vietnam to bolsters it's defences against China's advances in the area. In the meantime Trump is sucking up to Putin big time and saying nothing, in the meantime, about Crimea. In fact, based on previous statements he's made, I have a feeling he's set to recognise Russia's occupation as legitimate. This 'only a mouth' is doing an extraordinary job so far, and it's very early days yet.
Pumpedd: All Trumps developments are mad with imported steel.
He has said the wall will be built using American steel. And along these lines, if he annoys the Chinese too much they may start to insist on their share of America's debt (around 10% of Americas total debt) being paid which could potentially cause America (and thus the rest of the world) great economic strife as I don't believe they could do it, given their total level of debt. In fact He's even suggested he could get America out debt by only paying out US$0.85 on every dollar owed effectively shortchanging creditors 3 trillion dollars. His statement "I would borrow, knowing that if the economy crashed, you could make a deal" almost defies belief but this is the kind of person the world now has at the helm of the biggest superpower.
Edit1: added word to 'lack of harm' line
Edit2: added word 'billion' to amount of money Japan is promising Vietnam
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