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#2117836 1-Nov-2018 13:35

Fred99:

Criticising the character (or lack thereof) of politicians who put themselves up for public office as our elected leaders and lawmakers is fair and reasonable.

Politicians who are in a position of power - launching unprovoked attacks on law-abiding private isn't OK. That's what she's done.

Collins is not, in my opinion, fit for public office. You may believe otherwise, but how dare you attempt to deny me the right to criticise her repeated foul behaviour.

Get a life.

The forum owner @freitasm has previously indicated that this was NOT acceptable. At least not with respect to the Govt and PM - I assume that the directive applies in a general sense?

freitasm:

It is Unnecessary, petty, nit-picking, irrelevant, unimportant, bad-tempered because you folks are picking at Jacinda, not the coalition government.

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Talk about the government or the actions. DO NOT TALK ABOUT THE PERSON.

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#2117997 1-Nov-2018 17:37

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Fred99:

Criticising the character (or lack thereof) of politicians who put themselves up for public office as our elected leaders and lawmakers is fair and reasonable.

Politicians who are in a position of power - launching unprovoked attacks on law-abiding private isn't OK. That's what she's done.

Collins is not, in my opinion, fit for public office. You may believe otherwise, but how dare you attempt to deny me the right to criticise her repeated foul behaviour.

Get a life.

The forum owner @freitasm has previously indicated that this was NOT acceptable. At least not with respect to the Govt and PM - I assume that the directive applies in a general sense?

freitasm:

It is Unnecessary, petty, nit-picking, irrelevant, unimportant, bad-tempered because you folks are picking at Jacinda, not the coalition government.

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Talk about the government or the actions. DO NOT TALK ABOUT THE PERSON.

I don't think so.

Calling Collins out for nasty behaviour, tweeting fake news etc, expressing an opinion that she's unfit for office - what's the problem?

If Ardern was to behave that way - call her out.

Making up fake news (aka lies), commenting judgmentally on her appearance, private life etc - that's different.

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#2118038 1-Nov-2018 18:42

Fred99:

6FIEND:

Fred99:

Criticising the character (or lack thereof) of politicians who put themselves up for public office as our elected leaders and lawmakers is fair and reasonable.

Politicians who are in a position of power - launching unprovoked attacks on law-abiding private isn't OK. That's what she's done.

Collins is not, in my opinion, fit for public office. You may believe otherwise, but how dare you attempt to deny me the right to criticise her repeated foul behaviour.

Get a life.

The forum owner @freitasm has previously indicated that this was NOT acceptable. At least not with respect to the Govt and PM - I assume that the directive applies in a general sense?

freitasm:

It is Unnecessary, petty, nit-picking, irrelevant, unimportant, bad-tempered because you folks are picking at Jacinda, not the coalition government.

...

Talk about the government or the actions. DO NOT TALK ABOUT THE PERSON.

I don't think so.

Calling Collins out for nasty behaviour, tweeting fake news etc, expressing an opinion that she's unfit for office - what's the problem?

If Ardern was to behave that way - call her out.

Making up fake news (aka lies), commenting judgmentally on her appearance, private life etc - that's different.

I tend to agree with you. In fact, I made the argument that "character" was an important aspect to be discussed.

But the request was:

freitasm:

You discuss the matters, not the person.

I haven't seen anything since to suggest that this guidance has changed?

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#2118044 1-Nov-2018 18:59

6FIEND:

I haven't seen anything since to suggest that this guidance has changed?

You can say "Her actions are not those we expect from a leader" and be within the FUG. You can't say "She's a nasty person." even though we know the person might be.

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#2118099 1-Nov-2018 21:08

Bluntj:

I am not sure why you keep attacking individuals you do not like. This issue here has been about eligibility for Kiwibuild and use of public funds. In my opinion Collins has done her job as opposition well in picking massive holes in this policy. It is the job of the opposition. Look at all the flames on the immigration issue against those who opposed the Ministers decision. Who was right here?

He's been arguing strongly that Judith Collins is unfit to be an MP and has marshalled considerable evidence (as have I) to show that Collins was unjustly attacking that KB couple. I note that you've chosen not to engage with those arguments and evidence at all and have instead chosen to attack Fred99. This is rich coming from someone feigning interest in decency and avoiding ad hominem debates. Tell us, how's Donald Trump's playbook working out for you?

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#2118184 2-Nov-2018 01:35

This thread has gone in a totally daft direction. Arguing about whether Collins behaviour is unacceptable is in a totally different league to whether the use of the word "spouse" to describe Clarke Gayford is deception. The first relates to Collins job an the way she goes about it. The second is a bit of nastiness right out the Crosby Textor playbook.

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#2118206 2-Nov-2018 08:41

Mr Sulu please set a course to bring us back on target......... Engage

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2118325 2-Nov-2018 10:11

MikeB4:

This week/month has not been good for the Leader of the Opposition ...

Back to the OP: Although I'm not his supporter, he might well become the a leader that I would vote for. So I don't desire that Simon Bridges has a bad week, a bad month and a bad year. But I'm happy to see this happen if it creates the sort of lot of pressure to drive him to become a better leader.

If Simon Bridges has an easy week, an easy month and an easy year then he will end the year as pretty much the same person who started the year. I think that only his enemies would want that. That's why I wouldn't call for him to resign. I'd rather that he is given time to develop.

I have posted here that I thought Simon Bridges was a likely leader of the National caucus. At that time, Bill English won the vote, which was probably the better solution. The problem was that English was only a short term option because he always wanted to have a further career outside of politics and that meant he didn't have a lot of time and energy left to do that and finish any more than one term in Parliament.

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#2118371 2-Nov-2018 10:31

Hammerer:

MikeB4:

This week/month has not been good for the Leader of the Opposition ...

Back to the OP: Although I'm not his supporter, he might well become the a leader that I would vote for. So I don't desire that Simon Bridges has a bad week, a bad month and a bad year. But I'm happy to see this happen if it creates the sort of lot of pressure to drive him to become a better leader.

If Simon Bridges has an easy week, an easy month and an easy year then he will end the year as pretty much the same person who started the year. I think that only his enemies would want that. That's why I wouldn't call for him to resign. I'd rather that he is given time to develop.

I have posted here that I thought Simon Bridges was a likely leader of the National caucus. At that time, Bill English won the vote, which was probably the better solution. The problem was that English was only a short term option because he always wanted to have a further career outside of politics and that meant he didn't have a lot of time and energy left to do that and finish any more than one term in Parliament.

I hope you are right and Simon Bridges learns the job as Jacinda Ardern appears to be doing. I hope he does get there and can retain his position as the leading alternative is just too horrible to contemplate.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2119354 4-Nov-2018 10:05

We're all in a holding pattern until the election, at which point most Nats will probably be begging Nikki Kaye to stand for the leadership. It's possible we might get JuCo before then but I doubt she'd make it through to an election and I suspect the party vote would drop by quite a bit.

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#2119356 4-Nov-2018 10:28

Agreed, like I said earlier, I know lots of National voters who wouldn't go anywhere near Judith Collins. Far too polarising.

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#2119366 4-Nov-2018 11:13

quickymart:

Agreed, like I said earlier, I know lots of ~~National~~ Republican voters who wouldn't go anywhere near ~~Judith Collins~~ Donald Trump. Far too polarising.

How wrong we were...

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#2119450 4-Nov-2018 13:26

Yes but I heard a lot of the polling prior to the 2016 election found a lot of people were too shy/embarrassed to say they would vote for Trump, which caught a lot of pollsters off guard when he won. I find here people are little more open about saying who they will actually vote for. Plus, we don't really have anyone like Trump here do we (hopefully not)?

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#2119499 4-Nov-2018 15:28

When the end happens, you almost never see it coming. The movies have that wrong.

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#2120077 5-Nov-2018 11:32

Hammerer:

Back to the OP: Although I'm not his supporter, he might well become the a leader that I would vote for. So I don't desire that Simon Bridges has a bad week, a bad month and a bad year. But I'm happy to see this happen if it creates the sort of lot of pressure to drive him to become a better leader.

Good point. I find my mistakes more instructive than my successes.

Of course politics tolerates few mistakes. Ask Goff, Shearer, Cunliffe, Little and English.

Bridge doesn't absolutely spin my wheels, and I'd rather see a female leader of the Nats right now. I do think Bridges will be better in govt than in opposition, and I think Ardern is more use opposition than in govt. That is entirely subjective opinion.

Mike

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