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#3126555 12-Sep-2023 14:45

Hipkins trying it on again by suggesting that National's tax cuts would be 'inflationary' but taking that tax revenue and vapourising it wouldn't be.

As usual, this is repeated unchallenged.

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#3126925 13-Sep-2023 10:50

https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/13-09-2023/new-poll-national-and-act-would-need-nz-first Gah, I don't want Winston to ride again...hasn't Act said they won't work with him anyway? How does that work?

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#3126954 13-Sep-2023 11:39

quickymart:

https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/13-09-2023/new-poll-national-and-act-would-need-nz-first Gah, I don't want Winston to ride again...hasn't Act said they won't work with him anyway? How does that work?

Given Labour's weakness and National's weaknesses in leadership and capability, voters may continue to support their respective coalition partners

National could then have a muscled up ACT partner, and also NZF as another aggressive partner, who will engage in fights with ACT

I feel the best option is that no one partners with Peters, so that there is a minority Government. If National wishes to pass a law they need outside support, so matters would dilute somewhat. Or deals may be done. Better than Peters having the balance of power. Better to have other parties such as Labour, ACT, Te Pati Maori, Greens acting as psuedo partners than Peters

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#3127368 13-Sep-2023 18:53

I suppose the smart money will be investing in firearms shops and buying rentals then.

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#3127371 13-Sep-2023 19:03

ezbee:

I suppose the smart money will be investing in firearms shops and buying rentals then.

Does Act have a policy of bringing back the really cool firearms? I thought it was just the registry they opposed?

Anyway, they have their reasons. Remember when former ACT MP Deborah Coddington published a list of sex offenders? That backfired somewhat, giving like-minded individuals a list of contacts.

Having a database of firearms is a risk if it falls into the wrong hands.

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#3127373 13-Sep-2023 19:14

GV27:

tdgeek:

You're diverting.

I'm not diverting. I'm remarking on the organisation that took out front-page hit ads on the National Party leader being quoted as if they are an uninterested party when it comes to scrutinising National policy by media, for weeks at a time. I am free to do so.

Hopefully you apply the same logic to the full page advertising the Taxpayers “not a” union has been putting out as well. Or the same “union’s” “Curia” polls that get flung around as fact, the same polling company owned by the politically neautral David Farrar.

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#3127385 13-Sep-2023 20:28

SirHumphreyAppleby:
ezbee: I suppose the smart money will be investing in firearms shops and buying rentals then.
Does Act have a policy of bringing back the really cool firearms?

Cool? Poster may be implying quantity of sales rather than quality.

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#3127407 13-Sep-2023 21:39

SirHumphreyAppleby:

ezbee:

I suppose the smart money will be investing in firearms shops and buying rentals then.

Does Act have a policy of bringing back the really cool firearms? I thought it was just the registry they opposed?

Anyway, they have their reasons. Remember when former ACT MP Deborah Coddington published a list of sex offenders? That backfired somewhat, giving like-minded individuals a list of contacts.

Having a database of firearms is a risk if it falls into the wrong hands.

Yeah, its not like the staff in gun shops would ever give out that information either...right ?

Customer X bought .303 , .222 , 12 gauge ...etc etc etc.

Hell have someone in the local gun club... so many ways to get information

Without a database, how do you tell if a gun is stolen, illegally imported ?

How do police know if they person/property is a risk to them, police have a right to go home at night too.

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#3127445 13-Sep-2023 22:18

A few polls showing NZ First at 5%. The same ones also show National and Act able to govern alone, which - while I'm not exactly happy about it - I can at least take consolation in the fact that they wouldn't need Winston.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/09/election-2023-nz-first-in-line-for-comeback-in-new-poll.html

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#3127460 14-Sep-2023 05:47

In light of the latest polls I wonder if Labour supporters will vote strategically as National supporters were reported to have done at the last election and and give their votes to National to reduce the chances of Winston/NZ First being near the reins of power.

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#3127509 14-Sep-2023 06:57

sir1963:

How do police know if they person/property is a risk to them, police have a right to go home at night too.

If you have a firearms license or storage on your property (which is required for a license), this information is already in their system. I did research on related matters a few years ago as licenses were [illegally] being forced on us for other hazardous substances. The research is clear, as is view of criminologists. Licensed firearms users are not the problem.

A database will make trading firearms a little more difficult. It's not going to stop theft and may actually encourage it.

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#3127512 14-Sep-2023 07:27

Technofreak:

In light of the latest polls I wonder if Labour supporters will vote strategically as National supporters were reported to have done at the last election and and give their votes to National to reduce the chances of Winston/NZ First being near the reins of power.

I'm tempted to do it but I'm a bit wary of Luxon not saying he wouldn't work with Peters in the first place, and then turning around and jumping into bed with him after the election.

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#3127530 14-Sep-2023 08:35

SirHumphreyAppleby:

Licensed firearms users are not the problem.

This is the take of the NRA and their "responsible gun owners" mantra.

It doesn't work well in the USA.

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#3127723 14-Sep-2023 13:20

SirHumphreyAppleby:

Does Act have a policy of bringing back the really cool firearms? I thought it was just the registry they opposed?

Anyway, they have their reasons. Remember when former ACT MP Deborah Coddington published a list of sex offenders? That backfired somewhat, giving like-minded individuals a list of contacts.

Having a database of firearms is a risk if it falls into the wrong hands.

Yep. Register your dog but not your tactical assault rifle.

Makes perfect sense.

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#3127727 14-Sep-2023 13:27

GV27:

Hipkins trying it on again by suggesting that National's tax cuts would be 'inflationary' but taking that tax revenue and vapourising it wouldn't be.

As usual, this is repeated unchallenged.

Where as at the same time National keep trying to tell us that tax cuts aren't inflationary.

Which is nonsense on stilts as well.

As is stoking the housing market with foreign buyers and tax breaks for landlords and then trying to tell us that it won't make the housing crisis even worse than it already is.

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