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#3129260 19-Sep-2023 09:04

sir1963:

I dont want the money.

What I do want is quality education for kids. If that means class sizes for the extremes of ability to being 5-10 students , so be it.
we have 10 years of education to achieve the best we can for each child to have them happy and functional in society.

Feed them breakfast, Lunch, Tea if we have to, make the schools a place of peace and opportunity with no one hungry.
Have sports clubs, homework clubs, music clubs, etc after school from 3-5. Heck have hobbies, build balsa wood planes, lino carving for prints, story time
Maori carving, Kapa Haka, Cooking class where you get to eat what you made, anything to keep these kids engaged in the education process, and the broader community.
Let them rotate in these subjects, their choice.

(and keep the god botherers out of it)

The repayment will be keeping more out of the justice system, and as they say "Prevention is cheaper the cure", and we have fewer victims.

100%. A lot of that resonates with my childhood, and most likely yours as well

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#3129435 19-Sep-2023 15:32

https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/19-09-2023/liz-gunn-party-only-registers-three-candidates

Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.

An emotional Gunn compared herself to Edmund Hillary as she said she had experienced doubts, but was prepared to put herself on the line to “pull off a miracle” on October 14. “I have a very deep faith that it will [happen],” she said, without detailing exactly what the miracle would be.

Without specifically mentioning how the error with the party’s list came about, Gunn said: “I put one of our team in a position where they were under too much pressure, and they should have had someone looking over their shoulder and helping them. It is fully my responsibility.” She wouldn’t rule out “sabotage”.

Oh please, Liz...get over yourself. You can't even hold a candle to Hillary, and as to sabotage? Whatever 🙄

And I thought Brian Tamaki had issues.

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#3129440 19-Sep-2023 16:04

quickymart:

https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/19-09-2023/liz-gunn-party-only-registers-three-candidates

Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.

An emotional Gunn compared herself to Edmund Hillary as she said she had experienced doubts, but was prepared to put herself on the line to “pull off a miracle” on October 14. “I have a very deep faith that it will [happen],” she said, without detailing exactly what the miracle would be.

Without specifically mentioning how the error with the party’s list came about, Gunn said: “I put one of our team in a position where they were under too much pressure, and they should have had someone looking over their shoulder and helping them. It is fully my responsibility.” She wouldn’t rule out “sabotage”.

Oh please, Liz...get over yourself. You can't even hold a candle to Hillary, and as to sabotage? Whatever 🙄

And I thought Brian Tamaki had issues.

Hillary...how insulting for the family can that be.

She is closer to a piece of discarded chewing gum stuck to the bottom of your shoe, you know its there, its annoying as he11 and dealing with it is just not a pleasant thing to have to do.

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#3129453 19-Sep-2023 16:40

sen8or: Interesting that Hipkins was quick to condemn Hamilton for his views / tweet from 2013 but when questioned on Rhodes, was far more circumspect.

Reportedly Rhodes has released a formal disavowal of her former views short statement through the Labour Party. Similar to the National Party incident.

Hipkins is probably hoping it just goes away. #72 on the list Rhodes definitely won't make it to parliament.

On the other hand - Ryan Hamilton in Hamilton East electorate for the National Party has a pretty good chance of making it to parliament. Newshub reported on his contact with a telegram antivax group begging a vote for his mayoral campaign in June last year. That's 2022.

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#3129477 19-Sep-2023 17:37

sir1963:

Hillary...how insulting for the family can that be.

She is closer to a piece of discarded chewing gum stuck to the bottom of your shoe, you know its there, its annoying as he11 and dealing with it is just not a pleasant thing to have to do.

She must be pretty hard-up for money for her so-called "political party" to have to sell things like this... https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/marketplace/sports/sports-memorabilia/rugby-league/listing/4330881975

(the comments on that auction are hilarious) 😄

I guess if you're a washed-up former newsreader desperate for attention in today's digital age, you'll do anything to get it.

Thank Christ she won't get anywhere near Parliament.

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#3129497 19-Sep-2023 19:06

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sen8or: Interesting that Hipkins was quick to condemn Hamilton for his views / tweet from 2013 but when questioned on Rhodes, was far more circumspect.

Reportedly Rhodes has released a formal disavowal of her former views short statement through the Labour Party. Similar to the National Party incident.

Hipkins is probably hoping it just goes away. #72 on the list Rhodes definitely won't make it to parliament.

On the other hand - Ryan Hamilton in Hamilton East electorate for the National Party has a pretty good chance of making it to parliament. Newshub reported on his contact with a telegram antivax group begging a vote for his mayoral campaign in June last year. That's 2022.

Yep, its pretty surreal. Jail the lot of them!

On a more serious note. I watched snippets of todays Infrastructure debate. A journo piped up towards the end and (in my words) stated that he expected a loud and harsh political fight) But it was far from that, apart from Simon the ACT guy. Even had Shane Jones on it. Yes there were obvious partisan approaches, but what I took as did the journo, is that we had people from 4 of the 5 parties (National, Labour, Greens, NZ First) who spoke well for NZ. More than once they aligned more or less. That is a far cry from the media (cannot blame them TOO much) the Chris's or Finance people going head to head.

There is reaiity when most MP's want the best for NZ. Then there is the campaign where A is useless, and B is shocking. OK, my poetic liberty there, but in short we have very sensible, eloquent and knowledgable people. But in an election campaign you will view very little of that which is a pity.

EDIT Context

National Chris Bishop

Labour David Parker

Greens James Shaw

NZ First Shane Jones (keep the credit card handy...)

Last and least...ACT Simon Court

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#3129546 19-Sep-2023 22:23

Okay, last Liz Gunn one (for now) - this one features the entire original article from The Press. The comments on this Reddit thread are also hilarious.

https://www.reddit.com/r/newzealand/comments/16me818/liz_gunns_party_fails_to_register_nearly_all/

Extra: The Spinoff rates the first leader's debate tonight: https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/19-09-2023/leaders-debate-1-election-2023-the-verdicts

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#3129565 20-Sep-2023 05:49

Conclusions from the debate seem to be mixed at best. Don't think I'll bother watching the MySky recording of that one.

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#3129674 20-Sep-2023 10:30

My boss summed it up, you are interviewing both Chris's for a job neither of which would have made the short list for if there were other quality applicants in the pool, but you have to pick one

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#3129851 20-Sep-2023 18:16

An interesting thing about both candidates in the debate yesterday is how they bought their first homes at 24, just out of university.

Today's world is not setup to allow young people to buy their house at 24. And neither seemed to acknowledge it.

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#3129858 20-Sep-2023 18:45

sen8or:

My boss summed it up, you are interviewing both Chris's for a job neither of which would have made the short list for if there were other quality applicants in the pool, but you have to pick one

If I applied for that PM role, its a hiding to nothing, it currently means little more than just a job. Its like getting the CEO role and nothing you can do to fix it, so you rely on upbeat speeches, nothing more

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#3129905 20-Sep-2023 18:57

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Conclusions from the debate seem to be mixed at best. Don't think I'll bother watching the MySky recording of that one.

I have recorded it, but I agree, it seems shallow, then they gave each other 8/10

If I was Hipkins Id just fold, because there is no easy fix, let the other guy fail. The situation NZ is in is decades in the making. Looking more recently, some of us may use Covid and Ukraine as excuses, but they arent. Check the link I gave a day or two back from a leading economist. Who stated that Covid and Ukraine are key, and he was critical of both parties.

But thats ok, those who benefit financially from National or Labour will vote with their pocket. Those that are locked in year on year, males no difference. The swing votes who I feel are about 20%, well it wont make much difference IMHO

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#3129909 20-Sep-2023 19:25

Green Party income and tax cut policy. In case anyone else missed it like I did:

NewsHub: The Greens say the plan means anyone earning under $125,000 will receive a tax cut of between $16 and $26 per week.

First $10k is tax free. Asset taxes at $2million/$4 million pay for some reductions and an income guarantee with replacement of some benefits. The big surprise is support for inflation indexing adjustments for the wage brackets. It's starting to look likely indexing in some form will be implemented after the election regardless of which party you're voting for.

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#3129936 20-Sep-2023 21:51

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/09/election-2023-labour-s-support-drops-national-act-remain-on-course-to-form-government-poll.html

Labour's support has dropped a bit, National is steady, Act has climbed a little. Based on these numbers National/Act could form a government, even without Winston (fortunately).

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#3129943 20-Sep-2023 22:28

I've managed to watch 10min of the Hipkins vs Luxon debate so far. Luxon was not doing well at all. I wonder how much that really matters.

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