The politicisation of NZ's covid response

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#2872096 21-Feb-2022 15:21

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Those cretins are throwing their shit at the police. That's what monkeys in a zoo do. The sooner they are put in a zoo, the better for everyone.

Yep, the line has now been drawn. They drew it, which is key IMHO

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#2872101 21-Feb-2022 15:43

Major speech from Luxon carried by NZ Herald today. We'll do it just like Ardern except better kind of thing. One really odd point. Luxon claimed because vaccinated people can get Omicron - there's no point excluding unvaccinated people from indoor activities. In my understanding vaccination reduces viral load and you're much less likely to spread it. Anyway, his main point there was about allowing unvaccinated people into bars and cafes and other indoor small events. If Luxon made that determination based on some faulty science I'd like to know who he asked. Other than that, eliminating MIQ was the other big specific thing.

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#2872155 21-Feb-2022 16:01

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/02/christopher-luxon-s-full-a-divided-society-speech-as-protests-continue-at-parliament.html

This is his whole speech, highlighting the "division" he believes he's seeing.

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#2872157 21-Feb-2022 16:03

gzt: Major speech from Luxon carried by NZ Herald today. We'll do it just like Ardern except better kind of thing. One really odd point. Luxon claimed because vaccinated people can get Omicron - there's no point excluding unvaccinated people from indoor activities. In my understanding vaccination reduces viral load and you're much less likely to spread it. Anyway, his main point there was about allowing unvaccinated people into bars and cafes and other indoor small events. If Luxon made that determination based on some faulty science I'd like to know who he asked. Other than that, eliminating MIQ was the other big specific thing.

Just such an unnecessary thing to get up and do this week. I don't even know what the point of this all was.

New leader but extremely questionable political judgement abounds.

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#2872160 21-Feb-2022 16:18

Oh the right (and probably the antivaxxers at the protest) will probably lap it up, the new opposition leader telling the Government how to do things and how he would do things better, etc etc etc.

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#2872171 21-Feb-2022 16:45

It is like he looked out at the lawn and thought to himself "There are dozens of potential votes out there, how can I sway them?"

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#2872201 21-Feb-2022 17:48

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gzt: Major speech from Luxon carried by NZ Herald today. We'll do it just like Ardern except better kind of thing. One really odd point. Luxon claimed because vaccinated people can get Omicron - there's no point excluding unvaccinated people from indoor activities. In my understanding vaccination reduces viral load and you're much less likely to spread it. Anyway, his main point there was about allowing unvaccinated people into bars and cafes and other indoor small events. If Luxon made that determination based on some faulty science I'd like to know who he asked. Other than that, eliminating MIQ was the other big specific thing.

Just such an unnecessary thing to get up and do this week. I don't even know what the point of this all was.

New leader but extremely questionable political judgement abounds.

The piece from Audrey Young in the Herald seemed pretty on point. In a choice between the protestors and the government the government will become more popular.

His timing sucks, saying we need to come together and find a middle ground when the protestors are throwing turds at the police isn't going to win him any votes.

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#2872204 21-Feb-2022 18:21

gzt: Major speech from Luxon carried by NZ Herald today. We'll do it just like Ardern except better kind of thing. One really odd point. Luxon claimed because vaccinated people can get Omicron - there's no point excluding unvaccinated people from indoor activities. In my understanding vaccination reduces viral load and you're much less likely to spread it. Anyway, his main point there was about allowing unvaccinated people into bars and cafes and other indoor small events. If Luxon made that determination based on some faulty science I'd like to know who he asked. Other than that, eliminating MIQ was the other big specific thing.

Elimination is long gone, public knowledge. I guess an option is to give up on Covid, let nature take its course?

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#2872205 21-Feb-2022 18:23

GV27:

gzt: Major speech from Luxon carried by NZ Herald today. We'll do it just like Ardern except better kind of thing. One really odd point. Luxon claimed because vaccinated people can get Omicron - there's no point excluding unvaccinated people from indoor activities. In my understanding vaccination reduces viral load and you're much less likely to spread it. Anyway, his main point there was about allowing unvaccinated people into bars and cafes and other indoor small events. If Luxon made that determination based on some faulty science I'd like to know who he asked. Other than that, eliminating MIQ was the other big specific thing.

Just such an unnecessary thing to get up and do this week. I don't even know what the point of this all was.

New leader but extremely questionable political judgement abounds.

New leader clean slate. His PR people should be able to disagree on everything without making it obvious?

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#2872220 21-Feb-2022 19:08

I've written him off already. Who's next?

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#2872242 21-Feb-2022 20:21

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The piece from Audrey Young in the Herald seemed pretty on point. In a choice between the protestors and the government the government will become more popular.

His timing sucks, saying we need to come together and find a middle ground when the protestors are throwing turds at the police isn't going to win him any votes.

That was really interesting and I found myself agreeing with a lot of it.

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Handle9:

The piece from Audrey Young in the Herald seemed pretty on point. In a choice between the protestors and the government the government will become more popular.

His timing sucks, saying we need to come together and find a middle ground when the protestors are throwing turds at the police isn't going to win him any votes.

Take out the extreme right element and I'm not so sure.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/marty-verry-im-a-protest-funder-heres-why/6E5PDR2MTHIBD4MDHIPFGUROBE/

I was a bit surprised by this article but after reading it I think there's probably quite a few others like the writer. I don't agree with supporting the protesters as he has done but never the less I think he's not alone in his thinking.

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#2872248 21-Feb-2022 21:02

Technofreak:
Handle9:

The piece from Audrey Young in the Herald seemed pretty on point. In a choice between the protestors and the government the government will become more popular.

His timing sucks, saying we need to come together and find a middle ground when the protestors are throwing turds at the police isn't going to win him any votes.

Take out the extreme right element and I'm not so sure.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/marty-verry-im-a-protest-funder-heres-why/6E5PDR2MTHIBD4MDHIPFGUROBE/

I was a bit surprised by this article but after reading it I think there's probably quite a few others like the writer. I don't agree with supporting the protesters as he has done but never the less I think he's not alone in his thinking.

You can’t take out the extreme right element. They are integral to the protest.

Riots, protests and strikes are usually good for a government who doesn’t give in to their demands. The waterfront strike, seabed and foreshore and springbok tour are good examples of this in NZ.

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#2872256 21-Feb-2022 21:22

I think we actually need some middle ground and someone to try and bridge the gaps within our society as it currently is. There are a lot of divisions some created by Covid and some by the government's political agendas. A lot of people feel alienated to a greater or lesser extent in one way or another. That happens with governments of all persuasions just this time Covid has accentuated things. I don't see any way out of it for this government, they are seen as the cause whether or not they are responsible.

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#2872259 21-Feb-2022 21:29

Core of the protest is really Brian Tamaki who has dedicated followers used to putting up their own time, resource, assets,
aligned Evangelical/Pentecostal, and neo-you-know-what extreme right.

Otherwise a mish mash of extreme end of 1080, Gun deregulation, 3 waters, Q, Trump.
People from the ancient guild of noose makers.

Take out the far right, and you negotiate with Brian Tamaki, hell he would love that.

Its hardly a large movement, thus the need to bring campervans and cars to cause 10x the chaos than numbers would.
The cars and vans also provide a blockade making police clearance difficult as well, you have to seal a large area.
Even weapons in themselves.

There is some real money there true, for food carts and such, but hardly a groundswell,
some rich sponsors getting jollies from the chaos.
Though Tamaki's daughter talking about March 1st, maybe they are running past their budget for this ?

If that's the middle ground then we are in for a wild ride with National. Sailing away ...

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