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#3096140 29-Jun-2023 10:11

https://www.critic.co.nz/news/article/10696/355-million-for-tertiary-sector-reappropriated

All of this is set against the backdrop of a university system that is, to put it lightly, kinda f*cked

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#3096177 29-Jun-2023 11:42

floydbloke:

This government: "Let's tax those who drive high-emission vehicles, we need to tackle climate-change."

Also this government: "Let's take an extra plane to Asia because, you know, just in case."

LOL, yeah. Add to that: B787-8 compared to B757 uses 20% less fuel with 40% more payload. Given "climate change is our nuclear moment" they should have used half as many, twice as efficient aircraft by flying commercial or chartering.

Meanwhile we are actually turning productive farmland into locked down forest. You couldn't make this stuff up.

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#3096183 29-Jun-2023 11:46

johno1234:

floydbloke:

This government: "Let's tax those who drive high-emission vehicles, we need to tackle climate-change."

Also this government: "Let's take an extra plane to Asia because, you know, just in case."

LOL, yeah. Add to that: B787-8 compared to B757 uses 20% less fuel with 40% more payload. Given "climate change is our nuclear moment" they should have used half as many, twice as efficient aircraft by flying commercial or chartering.

Meanwhile we are actually turning productive farmland into locked down forest. You couldn't make this stuff up.

Farms pollute

Forrest absorb the pollution.

We need less farming and more land planted back into Native Trees to be there permanently as native forests.

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#3096194 29-Jun-2023 12:35

sir1963:

johno1234:

Meanwhile we are actually turning productive farmland into locked down forest. You couldn't make this stuff up.

Farms pollute

Forrest absorb the pollution.

We need less farming and more land planted back into Native Trees to be there permanently as native forests.

Farms produce methane which can be mitigated with GE feed and with capture of effluent. However, if we reduce our production then other producers world wide will make up that shortfall and our emissions are lower so the end result is more emissions.

We should be enhancing our agricultural production with science, not destroying it. That just leads to someone else meeting the world's demand for food with greater emissions.

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#3096202 29-Jun-2023 13:08

johno1234:

Farms produce methane which can be mitigated with GE feed and with capture of effluent. However, if we reduce our production then other producers world wide will make up that shortfall and our emissions are lower so the end result is more emissions.

We should be enhancing our agricultural production with science, not destroying it. That just leads to someone else meeting the world's demand for food with greater emissions.

They produce CO2, They produce ground water pollution (nearly all our water ways are now compromised...thanks farmers).

Other countries in the EU have equally low emissions, however conveniently omitted from NZs omission is the carbon from transportation to the overseas markets, and this is NOT zero.

After Fontera "milk powder" , the next biggest export from NZ is high tech, more than meat, more than wool.

High tech could be made 100 times larger with little or zero environmental impact, we can NOT do that with farming.

initially planting huge swathes of marginal land back into native forests would also help protect our under pressure native flora and fauna while also improving the quality of our water ways and native aquatic species. This will also help in mitigating weather events from climate change, ie slowing the run off meaning peak flows will be lower, and we could also not have the backing great mess that forest slash has created.

We produce enough food to feed 40 million people (5 of which live here in NZ), out of 8 billion and climbing, or 0.5% of the worlds population , we are close to being just a rounding error, lets not pretend we are some sort of hero here.

India produces 7 times the amount of milk NZ does, we would actually be better off carbon wise improving Indias production and stop shipping our stuff.

Even if we shut down 90% of the farms in NZ, we would STILL have more than enough food to feed us, all those "You will starve" threats from farmers are 100% BS.

Farmers be like "Those horseless carriages will never replace our real horses".

Farming is the past, we need as a country to be moving forward , moving towards greater high tech, niche products (F&P healthcare) etc and stop selling the IP and companies overseas.

Being peasant farmers is not the future we want.

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#3096215 29-Jun-2023 14:06

sir1963:

They produce CO2, They produce ground water pollution (nearly all our water ways are now compromised...thanks farmers).

Other countries in the EU have equally low emissions, however conveniently omitted from NZs omission is the carbon from transportation to the overseas markets, and this is NOT zero.

It's not that simple.

https://www.thescottishfarmer.co.uk/news/23170801.nz-research-claimed-food-miles-added-emissions-meat/

There's a pinch of salt required given these are comments from UK Meat Lobby groups commenting on an NZ lobby group's study.

But there has long been suggestion it is more efficient from a carbon perspective to produce meat in NZ and freight it to the other side of the world than it is for UK farmers to produce the same product, and the ongoing wrangling of 'food miles' fails to capture this in a way that is conveniently beneficial to UK/European producers.

Given the ongoing exercise of patch-protection that is European Agriculture and the industries supporting it, I find that quite believable.

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#3096225 29-Jun-2023 14:18

GV27:

But there has long been suggestion it is more efficient from a carbon perspective to produce meat in NZ and freight it to the other side of the world than it is for UK farmers to produce the same product, and the ongoing wrangling of 'food miles' fails to capture this in a way that is conveniently beneficial to UK/European producers.

It is a fact.

https://researcharchive.lincoln.ac.nz/handle/10182/125

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#3096226 29-Jun-2023 14:22

GV27:

sir1963:

They produce CO2, They produce ground water pollution (nearly all our water ways are now compromised...thanks farmers).

Other countries in the EU have equally low emissions, however conveniently omitted from NZs omission is the carbon from transportation to the overseas markets, and this is NOT zero.

It's not that simple.

https://www.thescottishfarmer.co.uk/news/23170801.nz-research-claimed-food-miles-added-emissions-meat/

There's a pinch of salt required given these are comments from UK Meat Lobby groups commenting on an NZ lobby group's study.

But there has long been suggestion it is more efficient from a carbon perspective to produce meat in NZ and freight it to the other side of the world than it is for UK farmers to produce the same product, and the ongoing wrangling of 'food miles' fails to capture this in a way that is conveniently beneficial to UK/European producers.

Given the ongoing exercise of patch-protection that is European Agriculture and the industries supporting it, I find that quite believable.

Unlike NZ ?

https://www.journalofdairyscience.org/article/S0022-0302%2817%2931069-X/pdf

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#3096230 29-Jun-2023 14:29

johno1234:

GV27:

But there has long been suggestion it is more efficient from a carbon perspective to produce meat in NZ and freight it to the other side of the world than it is for UK farmers to produce the same product, and the ongoing wrangling of 'food miles' fails to capture this in a way that is conveniently beneficial to UK/European producers.

It is a fact.

https://researcharchive.lincoln.ac.nz/handle/10182/125

UK farmers...not EU farmers.

Selectivity in data to blur the truth.

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#3096234 29-Jun-2023 14:38

floydbloke: Also this government: "Let's take an extra plane to Asia because, you know, just in case."

The advice to "fly business class" from Luxon is deeply impractical. I expect a lot of negotiation and briefing updates ahead of major summits occurs at the last minute en-route. That's really not something you want echoing around on public transport.

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#3097514 30-Jun-2023 06:58

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300917291/kiri-allan-yelled-and-screamed-at-me-senior-public-servant-says

I'm willing to bet people already know what's in that text message.

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#3097524 30-Jun-2023 08:09

GV27:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300917291/kiri-allan-yelled-and-screamed-at-me-senior-public-servant-says

I'm willing to bet people already know what's in that text message.

It’s a political rule to never ask a question unless you already know the answer.

On the face of it, it’s a non story but the journos are not letting it go so reading between the lines there’s something going on.

There’s the usual leaking under way.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300917291/kiri-allan-yelled-and-screamed-at-me-senior-public-servant-says

I thought management bun tossing was normal. People need to learn to cope with human nature better.

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#3097526 30-Jun-2023 08:18

johno1234:

I thought management bun tossing was normal. People need to learn to cope with human nature better.

Depends. If ministerial behaviour is being headed off from a formal process by someone running interference, only for the Minister to turn around and later make the kind-of-weirdly-specific claim that it's a wind-up because there's been no 'formal' complaints raised, then that's not exactly leaning in or kindness or whatever the key takeaway from the Francis Report was, given those processes are there to specifically protect staff and their work environments and not for the benefit of the Ministers.

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#3097531 30-Jun-2023 08:44

GV27:

johno1234:

I thought management bun tossing was normal. People need to learn to cope with human nature better.

Depends. If ministerial behaviour is being headed off from a formal process by someone running interference, only for the Minister to turn around and later make the kind-of-weirdly-specific claim that it's a wind-up because there's been no 'formal' complaints raised, then that's not exactly leaning in or kindness or whatever the key takeaway from the Francis Report was, given those processes are there to specifically protect staff and their work environments and not for the benefit of the Ministers.

But you are now asking them to abide by the standards that they themselves set, and expect others to abide by. That's very harsh, @GV27 !

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#3098022 30-Jun-2023 19:29

gzt:
floydbloke: Also this government: "Let's take an extra plane to Asia because, you know, just in case."

The advice to "fly business class" from Luxon is deeply impractical. I expect a lot of negotiation and briefing updates ahead of major summits occurs at the last minute en-route. That's really not something you want echoing around on public transport.

Can’t be any worse than a plane full of journalists can it?

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