Rikkitic:

 

Pumpedd:

 

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Anyone can make a mistake.

 

 

 

I need to stop making so many!!!

Pumpedd:

 

Rikkitic:

 

Pumpedd:

 

oops double post again

 

 

Anyone can make a mistake.

 

 

 

 

I need to stop making so many!!!

 

Talking about errors... does anybody else get any error page when they try to make a post - on a regular basis, like every second time?

Or maybe it's just the site stopping me posting too often lol

rjt123:

 

Talking about errors... does anybody else get any error page when they try to make a post - on a regular basis, like every second time?

 

Or maybe it's just the site stopping me posting too often lol

 

I don't, but when I do, it is usually because I messed up the quotes.

Rikkitic:

 

Where is the educational facility in this country that grants degrees in being an MP/Minister/PM? They all learn on the job. That is the way the system works. As an aside, I happen to think they are all grossly overpaid, but that is another matter.

 

For the rest, I don't disagree much. Yes, she should pick her battles. Yes, we don't amount to more than a grease stain on Australia's boots. I do think a degree of prudent caution needs to be exercised, but I also think it is important to 'stand up' (in some way) for your principles. 

 

 

 

I believe the opposite that they are generally underpaid. Most put in very long hours, they are separated from family for a large percentage of the year and the burden of responsibility on the outcomes required of them is very high. 

No-one forces them to do it. There are also perks to being an MP or Minister. If they want more money or better conditions they can always look elsewhere. Public service should be just that. Nobody should be doing it for the money.

I think the principle of paying public representatives started as a way of making it possible for ordinary people, not just landowners and nobility, to participate in the political process. They now get more than enough for that. If money is what moves them, they have no business being there anyway. They have more than adequate incomes to buy homes, raise families, and have satisfying lives. They are better off than teachers and police officers, who also put in long hours and bear great responsibility.

Rikkitic:

 

No-one forces them to do it. There are also perks to being an MP or Minister. If they want more money or better conditions they can always look elsewhere. Public service should be just that. Nobody should be doing it for the money.

 

I think the principle of paying public representatives started as a way of making it possible for ordinary people, not just landowners and nobility, to participate in the political process. They now get more than enough for that. If money is what moves them, they have no business being there anyway. They have more than adequate incomes to buy homes, raise families, and have satisfying lives. They are better off than teachers and police officers, who also put in long hours and bear great responsibility.

 

 

 

No one forces someone to be a cleaner, CEO, Police Officer Army Officer should they be paid low because of that? If we pay low income to MP we will get monkeys in the roles. I feel that most complaining about the salaries of MPs, CEOs Senior Staff are envious  

MikeB4:

Rikkitic:

 

If a schoolyard bully is pushing you around, the natural response is to want to avoid aggravating him further, but the bully may just take that as encouragement to ramp up the abuse. Sometimes the best response may be just to bop him on the nose.   

 

 

 

 

 

I agree to a point but we have to be careful not to push back so much they tell us to bugger off. They are a big importer of our goods and a very important defence partner.

I agree. I personally have ties to Oz, but puting that aside, we do need to be mindful of what it means to us. We are a country where many many cities I have traveled to, dwarf us. But we can't be seen to be blind and voiceless. Manus and kiwi options in Oz are pretty darn small issues.  

MikeAqua:

 

I don't think JA's offer to take a small number of Manus refugees was a good faith offer intended to help. 

 

I think it was an offer intended to embarrass Turnbull or at least put him in a difficult position.  It looked more like activism than governance.

 

No way. Its more like a human rights issue, so lets say something. Or her saying we are not dumb stupid unimportant kiwis. If she was smart, it becomes a small;l issue that we said our piece then run for cover, nothing wring with that. Or import us to be Tasmania V2.0? 

networkn:

 

Rikkitic:

 

If a schoolyard bully is pushing you around, the natural response is to want to avoid aggravating him further, but the bully may just take that as encouragement to ramp up the abuse. Sometimes the best response may be just to bop him on the nose.   

 

 

 

 

As someone who was bullied as a kid, I can tell you that either result can end well or end badly, it depends on the person. The reality is, this isn't schoolyard bullying, this is completely different. It's international politics. We have nothing to "bop" Australia on the nose with, and whilst it's all well and good to sit behind a keyboard and rah rah JA to "stand up" to Australia, the reality is, Australia don't give a toss, and if the decide to retaliate in any way, we will lose more than we ever would have gained. Might be easy to be flippant about that, but it's possible the effects will be felt well after JA is back in opposition and your children, grandchildren are worse off. 

 

To JA I say, pick your battles. Manus is a human rights issue, but we can be effective in other areas (IE increasing refugee quotas) and help just as many people, and take Australia on for something we a) have a chance to succeed with, and b) has benefits we can't get any other way. 

 

JA can't see this, it's another failing of her leadership in my opinion. It's why I advocated more time for her as opposition leader to learn rather than learning on the job where her mistakes could affect thousands for generations. 

 

I don't actually want JA to fail despite what people might feel. I also don't expect to pay $450K a year for someone to learn on the job. 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with your first two paragraphs. While I am a long time National voter,  I am destined to be a lefty for the next 3 years! :-) But I feel she has picked her battles. she isn't stupid. Said her piece, its done with. If all that does is say to Turnbull that NZ isn't the meek and mild pushover any more, thats a good thing. Does it mean she will go after more? No. Its a chess move. Nothing more. 

Pumpedd:

 

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yep

Pumpedd:

 

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Yep! :-)

Rikkitic:

 

rjt123:

 

Talking about errors... does anybody else get any error page when they try to make a post - on a regular basis, like every second time?

 

Or maybe it's just the site stopping me posting too often lol

 

 

I don't, but when I do, it is usually because I messed up the quotes.

 

 

 

Or when the quote on the reply has no spaces. So its a long (quote)etc 

MikeB4:

 

Rikkitic:

 

Where is the educational facility in this country that grants degrees in being an MP/Minister/PM? They all learn on the job. That is the way the system works. As an aside, I happen to think they are all grossly overpaid, but that is another matter.

 

For the rest, I don't disagree much. Yes, she should pick her battles. Yes, we don't amount to more than a grease stain on Australia's boots. I do think a degree of prudent caution needs to be exercised, but I also think it is important to 'stand up' (in some way) for your principles. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I believe the opposite that they are generally underpaid. Most put in very long hours, they are separated from family for a large percentage of the year and the burden of responsibility on the outcomes required of them is very high. 

 

I agree. In the political climate as in today, its soooo easy to blame National for over paying. But I agree. You cannot place a value on time. Missed family time. In my past professional career I was away a lot. A colleague of mine once told me, she would rather drive Queenstown tour buses and earn bugger all, quality of life.

We both moved on. Life is good.

If I was offered a Minister job tomorrow, no effing way. But I respect those representing us

MikeB4:

 

Rikkitic:

 

No-one forces them to do it. There are also perks to being an MP or Minister. If they want more money or better conditions they can always look elsewhere. Public service should be just that. Nobody should be doing it for the money.

 

I think the principle of paying public representatives started as a way of making it possible for ordinary people, not just landowners and nobility, to participate in the political process. They now get more than enough for that. If money is what moves them, they have no business being there anyway. They have more than adequate incomes to buy homes, raise families, and have satisfying lives. They are better off than teachers and police officers, who also put in long hours and bear great responsibility.

 

 

 

 

 

 

No one forces someone to be a cleaner, CEO, Police Officer Army Officer should they be paid low because of that? If we pay low income to MP we will get monkeys in the roles. I feel that most complaining about the salaries of MPs, CEOs Senior Staff are envious  

 

I recall John Key was worth 40 mill when he became PM. I respect that greatly. As I did the he stepped down, same reasons

tdgeek:

If I was offered a Minister job tomorrow, no effing way. But I respect those representing us