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#2203236 22-Mar-2019 09:21

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Brian Tamaki - That's all you pretty much need to say.

I'd sign a petition to remove his citizenship.

I'm guessing you're in jest. He was born in New Zealand.

Unless he decides to become a soldier in Middle East war zone, it's pretty much impossible to make him "stateless."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statelessness

Even when someone burns their passport and driver's license, announce that they've renounce their citizenship, and refuse to pay taxes, you're a citizen.

Albeit that person is likely to be thrown in jail for tax evasion.

Before you're formally allowed to renounce a citizenship, you need another country to accept you, with the possible exception of becoming a foreign soldier.

So Brian's our sh1t stirrer, whether we like it or not.

Revoking the Church of Destiny's tax-free status is much more likely. Destiny Church is fighting it in high court, as we speak.

I'd sign that petition.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/100032716/destiny-church-to-fight-charities-commission-in-high-court

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#2203242 22-Mar-2019 09:27

How can you petition for a high court decision?

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#2203243 22-Mar-2019 09:28

I have removed all reference to the name ********* from this topic. Anyone evading this by posting the name in any other form will be banned.

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#2203248 22-Mar-2019 10:10

If you type the name and post, does it tell you it's a bad word? Won't apply to me, but I could see new or infrequent posters getting caught out otherwise.

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#2203250 22-Mar-2019 10:18

It just translates to *******.

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#2203253 22-Mar-2019 10:23

I think you should consider adding it to the bad word list, then if someone posts it, they see it's on the bad word list, rather than being potentially confused as to why they can't type it and trying to work around it. My 2c.

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#2203255 22-Mar-2019 10:29

if you're going to believe in imaginary sky fairies, it might as well be the best one:

His noodliness the Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM), the deity of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

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#2203257 22-Mar-2019 10:30

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I think you should consider adding it to the bad word list, then if someone posts it, they see it's on the bad word list, rather than being potentially confused as to why they can't type it and trying to work around it. My 2c.

It will work. Trust me.

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#2203263 22-Mar-2019 11:04

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I have removed all reference to the name ********* from this topic. Anyone evading this by posting the name in any other form will be banned.

What name? All I see is a bunch of asterisks. I can't tell anything from that.

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#2203264 22-Mar-2019 11:08

nathan:

if you're going to believe in imaginary sky fairies, it might as well be the best one:

His noodliness the Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM), the deity of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

It seems to me that in light of last Fridays events that tolerance and togetherness applies to all religions. There is no compulsion to believe and with that maybe posting comments like the highlighted just need not be said in a public forum.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2203274 22-Mar-2019 11:33

kingdragonfly: From this morning's STuff
Bookstore chain Whitcoulls appears to have stopped selling controversial right-wing author and speaker Jordan Peterson's book 12 Rules for Life amid concerns about 'disturbing material' circulating around the Christchurch attacks.

A staff member at Whitcoulls in Albany said it was not available in any stores around the country. She did not know whether that was a permanent move. A search for the book on the chain's website does not return any hits.

Jordan Peterson was pictured with a fan wearing an 'I'm a proud Islamophobe' t-shirt during his recent trip to New Zealand. The photo circulated on Twitter in the wake of the Christchurch mosque attacks.

The book contains little reference to Islam but Peterson has previously been criticised for his description of Muhammad as a 'warlord'.

https://www.vox.com/world/2018/3/26/17144166/jordan-peterson-12-rules-for-life

Jordan Peterson, the obscure Canadian psychologist turned right-wing celebrity, explained

Who Peterson is, and the important truths he reveals about our current political moment.

Jordan Peterson is a psychology professor at the University of Toronto, a widely cited scholar of personality, and the author of what’s currently the No. 1 best-selling nonfiction book on Amazon in the United States. The New York Times’s David Brooks, echoing George Mason University economist Tyler Cowen, calls him “the most influential public intellectual in the Western world right now.”

Jordan Peterson is also a right-wing internet celebrity who has claimed that feminists have “an unconscious wish for brutal male domination,” referred to developing nations as “pits of catastrophe” in a speech to a Dutch far-right group, and recently told a Times reporter that he supported “enforced monogamy.”

When Cathy Newman, a journalist for the UK’s Channel 4, challenged Peterson’s arguments in a televised interview, she received so many death threats that she had to get help from the police. “There were literally thousands of abusive tweets — it was a semi-organized campaign,” she recalled in an interview. “ It ranged from the usual ‘c*nt, b*tch, dumb blonde’ to ‘I’m going to find out where you live and execute you.’”
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Peterson “introduces people [to] many many other things they just don’t really get elsewhere,” Cowen says. “He is still influential, massively so, reaches a large general public audience of millions, most of all young males. How many other intellectuals do?”

So how did an obscure Canadian psychologist become an international phenomenon?

The answer is that Jordan Peterson is tailor-made to our political moment. His reactionary politics and talents as a public speaker combine to be a perfect fit for YouTube and the right-wing media, where videos of conservatives “destroying” weak-minded liberals routinely go viral. Peterson’s denunciations of identity politics and political correctness are standard-issue conservative, but his academic credentials make his pronouncements feel much more authoritative than your replacement-level Fox News commentator. (I reached out to Peterson; a spokesperson turned down my interview request.)

Peterson is also particularly appealing to disaffected young men. He’s become a lifestyle guru for men and boys who feel displaced by a world where white male privilege is under attack; his new best-selling book, 12 Rules for Life, is explicitly pitched as a self-help manual, and he speaks emotionally of the impact his work has had on anxious, lost young men.
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This painful contrast is on display later in that very interview, in which he explicitly argues that concern for sexism is to blame for the plight of the West’s young men.

“We’re so stupid. We’re alienating young men. We’re telling them that they’re patriarchal oppressors and denizens of rape culture,” he says. “It’s awful. It’s so destructive. It’s so unnecessary. And it’s so sad.”

The empathy that he displays for men and boys in his BBC interview and 12 Rules for Life is touching. The problem is that he can’t seem to extend it to anyone else.

Wish we could create a red flag list when these people come through. He can have his view but there's no need to wear the t-shirt. That's where his lapse of judgment comes in.

Never say never

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#2203276 22-Mar-2019 11:34

MikeB4:

nathan:

if you're going to believe in imaginary sky fairies, it might as well be the best one:

His noodliness the Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM), the deity of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

It seems to me that in light of last Fridays events that tolerance and togetherness applies to all religions. There is no compulsion to believe and with that maybe posting comments like the highlighted just need not be said in a public forum.

I respect the right for anyone to believe in which ever imaginary sky fairy they like.

the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, is as real as a religion as any, but I respect the right for anyone to criticise the religion that I believe in too

It is amazing how theres a direct correlation between which religion you get brainwashed/indoctrinated into and which country/which religion your parents believe in

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#2203281 22-Mar-2019 11:38

kingdragonfly: From this morning's STuff
Bookstore chain Whitcoulls appears to have stopped selling controversial right-wing author and speaker Jordan Peterson's book 12 Rules for Life amid concerns about 'disturbing material' circulating around the Christchurch attacks.

A staff member at Whitcoulls in Albany said it was not available in any stores around the country. She did not know whether that was a permanent move. A search for the book on the chain's website does not return any hits.

Jordan Peterson was pictured with a fan wearing an 'I'm a proud Islamophobe' t-shirt during his recent trip to New Zealand. The photo circulated on Twitter in the wake of the Christchurch mosque attacks.

The book contains little reference to Islam but Peterson has previously been criticised for his description of Muhammad as a 'warlord'.

Sad day when people think well-reasoned viewpoints different to their own should be banned. On the other hand it's also sad that the alt-right seem to have claimed him as their own, without even a shred of understanding of what he's actually saying. I guess the latter will doom him in the eyes of history.

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#2203288 22-Mar-2019 11:41

chatterbox:

Wish we could create a red flag list when these people come through. He can have his view but there's no need to wear the t-shirt. That's where his lapse of judgment comes in.

he wasn't wearing a tshirt. He was photographed beside an NZ attendee, wearing a tshirt

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#2203292 22-Mar-2019 11:44

Tracer:

kingdragonfly: From this morning's STuff
Bookstore chain Whitcoulls appears to have stopped selling controversial right-wing author and speaker Jordan Peterson's book 12 Rules for Life amid concerns about 'disturbing material' circulating around the Christchurch attacks.

A staff member at Whitcoulls in Albany said it was not available in any stores around the country. She did not know whether that was a permanent move. A search for the book on the chain's website does not return any hits.

Jordan Peterson was pictured with a fan wearing an 'I'm a proud Islamophobe' t-shirt during his recent trip to New Zealand. The photo circulated on Twitter in the wake of the Christchurch mosque attacks.

The book contains little reference to Islam but Peterson has previously been criticised for his description of Muhammad as a 'warlord'.

Sad day when people think well-reasoned viewpoints different to their own should be banned. On the other hand it's also sad that the alt-right seem to have claimed him as their own, without even a shred of understanding of what he's actually saying. I guess the latter will doom him in the eyes of history.

The fact you think that Jordan Peterson has well-reasoned viewpoints rather than blatant racebaiting and dog whistling to his base under the guise of an educated argument doesn't reflect on you well.

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