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#2208292 31-Mar-2019 18:29

freitasm: He who shall not be named is complaining...

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#2208417 1-Apr-2019 08:38

Compare his treatment here with that of Florida

https://truthout.org/articles/fighting-the-fees-that-force-prisoners-to-pay-for-their-incarceration/

Fighting the Fees That Force Prisoners to Pay for Their Incarceration

By Jean Trounstine
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Florida is one of five states where prisoners receive no money for their work, forcing families to cough up money for food and necessities. Florida is also one of 43 states that charge prisoners for their so-called “stay” behind bars, according to the Brennan Center for Justice. This egregious injustice disproportionately targets African Americans, who fill a third of Florida’s prisons, although they only make up 17 percent of the state’s overall population.
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The History of Pay-to-Stay
In 1994, Daniel Shacknai, a Chicago law clerk, wrote an op-ed in the Chicago Tribune suggesting that prisoners should pay rent to solve overcrowding and skyrocketing costs. He wrote: “Prisoners who have no assets should earn their room and board through mandatory prison work. Alternatively, and less desirably, authorities could attach future earnings and recoup the costs of incarceration over several years following an inmate’s release.”

Perhaps Shacknai didn’t realize how little prisoners are paid. As the Prison Policy Institute reported in 2017, the “average of the minimum daily wages paid to incarcerated workers for non-industry prison jobs is now 86 cents, down from 93 cents reported in 2001.”

Michigan had apparently been charging daily housing fees in its jails since 1984, according to The Detroit News. In 1984, Michigan legislators approved a measure authorizing counties to charge prisoners up to $60 a day for housing and to file civil suits to retrieve the money. According to L.B. Eisen, senior counsel at the Brennan Center, this is “criminalizing poverty.”

In a report entitled, “Charging Inmates Perpetuates Mass Incarceration,” Eisen wrote that by 2004 an estimated one-third of county jails and 50 percent of prisons in the United States charged daily housing fees. There is racial inequity here as well. In 2014, Prison Policy spelled out that African Americans are more than 5 times as likely as whites to be behind bars. In 2016, the Sentencing Project reported that Latinos are locked up 1.4 times more often.

“The cost of incarceration depends on where you are. Maine charges up to $80 a day for a county jail,” Eisen told Truthout. “Because incarceration is incredibly expensive and eats up states’ revenue, most states have devised a way to remove money from an incarcerated person’s commissary account to reimburse themselves for housing individuals.”

“The courts have supported these fees because they’ve said they are ‘administrative,’ but I would argue … these fees are very detrimental to right-sizing our justice system,” Eisen added.
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#2208576 1-Apr-2019 12:32

Rikkitic:

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So does anyone who takes someones life regardless whether its one or 50 people slain.

They all have rights in this country and denying them this is quite astonishing. The law applies equally to us all, and if it doesnt it will become an ever increasingly dangerous place.

Denying this person certain items in prison for his safety is quite different and is understandable.

Maybe you can become his visitor buddy since you are so concerned for his rights.

The rule of law in extraordinary circumstances such as these is even more important than at regular times. It lets us maintain a moral high ground.

Leaving this polyp in the colon of humanity to rot in a cell, slowly being driven mad by the solitude would be very satisfying, but ultimately this would cater to our baser instincts. We are better than that.

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#2208585 1-Apr-2019 12:41

I get it. I wasn't advocating torture. He should get the absolute minimum that doesn't cross that line. Some people murder for greed, some out of jealously or rage, some by accident, some just for the hell of it, but none of these equate to what this bastard did and I do not possess the depth of soul to forgive him as his victims have. Whatever 'rights' he has should not extend to wallowing in the notoriety of his deed.

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#2209110 1-Apr-2019 21:14

I was originally opposed to the idea of sending him back to Aus, as I believe our justice system can and will deal with him appropriately.

I've changed my mind - I think we should convict him and deport him back to Aus, not sure of the legal issues, maybe he can be tried under Aus anti-terrorism laws as well as for the murders he committed here.

I don't want him in NZ, locked up - or when he passes, buried on our soil - not even his ashes. Australia owns him. It's probably going to cost +$10 million to keep him incarcerated and safe. I don't want my taxes paying for that.

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#2209123 1-Apr-2019 21:42

What guarantees we have he will continue in prison once he gets to Australia?

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#2210517 4-Apr-2019 08:16

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-24/microsoft-s-smith-urges-talk-of-tech-s-legal-responsibilities

Microsoft's Smith Urges Talk of Tech's 'Legal Responsibilities'
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Microsoft Corp. President Brad Smith waded into the debate over what legal duties tech should have for content in the wake of the mosque killings in New Zealand.

"There are legal responsibilities that need to be discussed," Smith, who’s also the software maker’s chief legal officer, wrote in a Sunday blog post that said a company team had begun a pre-planned trip to the country the day before.

After video of the killings went viral on social media, some policy-makers urged that these sites take greater responsibility for stemming the spread of violent content. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern told parliament that it cannot accept that "what is said is not the responsibility of the place where they are published."

In the U.S., tech platforms generally have immunity for the content that users post, but protections vary around the world. It was not immediately clear how Smith would change policy, although he appeared open to solutions that went beyond industry best practices and self-regulation.

Smith, whose company does not have a video-hosting site like Google’s YouTube or Facebook Inc., said that tech companies can no longer "think of their platforms akin to a postal service without regard to the responsibilities embraced by other content publishers."

He urged prevention that advanced video-identification technologies, as well as "browser-based solutions -- building on ideas like safe search -- to block the accessing of such content at the point when people attempt to view and download it." He also urged consideration of a “major event” protocol, in which tech companies would work from a joint virtual command center during a major incident.

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#2210873 4-Apr-2019 18:53

I guess we still have a way to go.

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#2210955 4-Apr-2019 21:20

Holy crap. People believe the Christchurch attack is linked to the measles outbreak. People called US-based right-wing talkback to complain of the islamification of New Zealand. They think the government is not telling the whole story. The attack was a false flag operation.

Five percent of New Zealanders are simply dumb.

From Radio NZ.

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#2210964 4-Apr-2019 21:27

freitasm:

Holy crap. People believe the Christchurch attack is linked to the measles outbreak. People called US-based right-wing talkback to complain of the islamification of New Zealand. They think the government is not telling the whole story. The attack was a false flag operation.

Five percent of New Zealanders are simply dumb.

From Radio NZ.

For anyone who hasn't heard this, you really need to listen to the piece to truly appreciate how breathtakingly stupid some of those individuals are. Especially the one who thinks the attack was related to the measles outbreak.

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#2211071 5-Apr-2019 07:49

Alex Jones. Sigh.

In the Sandy Hooks massacre a shooter fatally shot his mother before murdering 20 students and six staff members at Sandy Hook Elementary School, and later committed suicide.

Alex Jones spouted that it was staged, and a false flag operation.

Now, facing a number of lawsuits from families who lost loved ones during the massacre, Jones claims that psychosis, brought on by a corrupt government and lying media, caused him to lie about the deaths of teachers and small children.

I would encourage Christchurch victims to sue him in a US court, for a large cash payout. There are no shortage of no win-no fee US lawyers who would be happy to take on the case.

The ACLU would be happy to find a no cost lawyer for anyone with a loved one who died in the attack. They would probably happy to pay for travel costs also.

https://www.aclu.org/contact-us

Their phone number from NZ is 001-212-549-2500. You'll want to call early in the morning our time. 10 am our time = 5 pm their time. Skype or similar services would be a cheap way to call.

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#2211132 5-Apr-2019 09:52

To the Christchurch victims, Alex Jones says the massacre was staged.

He did the same thing for another massacre in the United States, where 26 were killed at a school.

He's being sued by a law firm "Farrar & Ball", in Texas.

Their phone number is 001-713-221-8300, email information@fbtrial.com

http://fbtrial.com/contact/ and http://infowarslawsuit.com/news

You could talk to them about a "no win-no fee" lawsuit.

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#2211188 5-Apr-2019 11:20

Quite a few Americans are convinced nine eleven was a false flag op, orchestrated by any number of different bad guys.

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#2213124 8-Apr-2019 17:58

Sky has a doco on right now, Ghosts of the Crusades. Im surprised actually. I dont see its healthy to censor everything historical forever, but right now, it should be. Let the wounds heal before resuming transmission. Personally, if I was watching it I take it as no more than history, which I enjoy. But for others, not right now.

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#2216423 13-Apr-2019 12:18

This is cool. The Pakistanis (and other Muslims) have responded so much better than some in the West did.

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