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#3217181 11-Apr-2024 19:58

https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/04/11/media-minister-labelled-out-of-her-depth-by-labour-predecessor/

Asked to reply to the comments, a spokesperson for the minister said: "We won’t be dignifying this with a response."

Ah, so she has nothing useful to say, business as usual for Melissa Lee 🙄 sorry to go on about this, but really - she's apparently been "working on a paper" for ages now; rather than trying to constantly deflect questions, she could actually do something, couldn't she? Maybe give a general idea of what her thinking with this paper of hers is? Something?

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#3217209 11-Apr-2024 22:52

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I assume you mean, where are the right/conservative leaning critics? Because as far as the left leaners go, this government is just one horrific decision after another. I mean, I read an interview this morning where even Matthew Hooton was on the record saying Luxon made a grievous error agreeing to Act's Treaty Principles Bill. You know things are off the wall when Hooton starts sounding like a thoughtful moderate.

What I mean is where are all the loudmouths who had so much to complain about when the last government was in power? I could mention some specific names but will refrain from doing so.

My feeling on the ground was lots weren't happy with the Labour government. Some of that was covid based and others were business based. It just seemed like people wanted Labour out. Labour are out and that may be all that mattered. So they're not paying close attention to the current government? Either way, we have the government we do because that's how the majority of eligible voters voted.

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#3217217 12-Apr-2024 05:46

Willie Jackson is probably reasonably well informed on what not to do as a Broadcasting Minister so I'm split as to how much weight to give his comments.

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#3217235 12-Apr-2024 08:17

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https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/04/11/media-minister-labelled-out-of-her-depth-by-labour-predecessor/

Asked to reply to the comments, a spokesperson for the minister said: "We won’t be dignifying this with a response."

Ah, so she has nothing useful to say, business as usual for Melissa Lee 🙄 sorry to go on about this, but really - she's apparently been "working on a paper" for ages now; rather than trying to constantly deflect questions, she could actually do something, couldn't she? Maybe give a general idea of what her thinking with this paper of hers is? Something?

This Broadcasting Minister, and her predecessors in Willie Jackson, Kris Faafoi and his predecessor whose name escapes me but fell on her sword for not disclosing meetings with media peoples, have been extremely ineffectual for many many years. It begs the question - do we actually need a Broadcasting Minister? Most of the work usually comes out of MCH, which doesnt have a great understanding of commercial reality but covers the broader sector which is more important than just radio and television. Having a Minister is purely to appease the self-importance of the broadcasters, who are no more important than any other media company, nor any other sector - in fact less important given their limited economic contribution to the country.

Jackson and Faafoi sat on their hands for many many years pontificating about the so-called Google Tax, making digital pay for media, and industry structure but essentially continued the lassez-faire National-esque style that has been in place for the last 15 years. Calling out Lee is like calling out Faafoi who was the reluctant Minister and equally hard to find. Jackson would have just blasted the reporters about the political leanings of their bosses. Neither would have put together any plan to "save" a dying industry.

Labour had the opportunity to make meaningful impacts back in 2017 with the BEPS bill it inherited from the English-led Government. It made zero move to insert a diverted profits tax that it had advocated for when it was last in Opposition. https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20171212_20171212_16

Would merging RNZ and TVNZ have changed any outcome that we're now seeing? Arguably it could have sucked more cash out of the television sector making TVNZ/RNZ stronger and WBD weaker. Would it have artificially saved some News bulletins and Fair Go? Probably but at what cost to the taxpayer, for the sake of a ever dwindling audience?

Here is a great article from 2021 - https://newsroom.co.nz/2021/08/11/government-slow-to-make-google-pay-for-local-news/ The key quote "So while the digital revolution offers an overwhelming amount of content, the economics of producing news and current affairs in New Zealand remain precarious."

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#3217241 12-Apr-2024 08:48

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Jackson and Faafoi sat on their hands for many many years pontificating about the so-called Google Tax, making digital pay for media, and industry structure but essentially continued the lassez-faire National-esque style that has been in place for the last 15 years. Calling out Lee is like calling out Faafoi who was the reluctant Minister and equally hard to find. Jackson would have just blasted the reporters about the political leanings of their bosses. Neither would have put together any plan to "save" a dying industry.

Labour had the opportunity to make meaningful impacts back in 2017 with the BEPS bill it inherited from the English-led Government. It made zero move to insert a diverted profits tax that it had advocated for when it was last in Opposition. https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20171212_20171212_16

So - this presents a golden opportunity for Melissa Lee to "right the wrongs" of the last government then, right? I mean, we're forever hearing about how crap they were and this crowd we have now is so much better, so let's see Lee step up to the plate and actually do something as opposed to just rattling off buzzwords and word salads to reporters.

She says she's been working on this paper for a while, let's see some actions/results.

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#3217244 12-Apr-2024 08:57

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So - this presents a golden opportunity for Melissa Lee to "right the wrongs" of the last government then, right? I mean, we're forever hearing about how crap they were and this crowd we have now is so much better, so let's see Lee step up to the plate and actually do something as opposed to just rattling off buzzwords and word salads to reporters.

She says she's been working on this paper for a while, let's see some actions/results.

Wait a second. This lot have only been in for a very short time. First few days they repealed a ton of good/bad legislations by previous 6 years worth of govt. Last few days they are bringing in more bad/good legislations.

Heck, if there is a record for the most number of legislations repealed/introduced in the shortest period of time (if this is a legitimate democratic process -I dont know however), the record goes to this lot.

Just to clarify, my understanding of the words "repealing" and "introducing" and "fast tracking" legislations are verbs so they are clearly "doing" something. Let it be super bad for our country or mildly good - I don't know. But they are definitely doing a lot.

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#3217249 12-Apr-2024 09:01

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So - this presents a golden opportunity for Melissa Lee to "right the wrongs" of the last government then, right?

Not really. She would still be winning if she just chooses to be as good or as bad as the previous ministers and collect the pay cheque(as much as I hate she's getting paid to do f all).

As someone mentioned previously, Broadcasting doesn't really need a minister as Govt really shouldn't be interferring with media and broadcasting in the first place.

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#3217257 12-Apr-2024 09:30

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and his predecessor whose name escapes me but fell on her sword for not disclosing meetings with media peoples,

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#3217258 12-Apr-2024 09:34

quickymart:

So - this presents a golden opportunity for Melissa Lee to "right the wrongs" of the last government then, right? I mean, we're forever hearing about how crap they were and this crowd we have now is so much better, so let's see Lee step up to the plate and actually do something as opposed to just rattling off buzzwords and word salads to reporters.

She says she's been working on this paper for a while, let's see some actions/results.

Disagree completely. Like every other industry television needs to adapt or die. Newspapers are trying to adapt and innovate, they've gone through years of cost cutting in the face of declining revenue. Television boradcasting in NZ is now 2/3 the size it was in 2014 but what has TV done to right size itself. Its innovated with digital offerings but, like newspapers have found, yields are substantially lower (albeit there arent any restrictions on minutes of advertising per hour despite ability to know your audience yet volumes are significantly lower than broadcasting).

There arent any wrongs to right. Any industry thats been through turmoil understands whats going on. There are more minutes of "news" and analysis on the news changes in NZ than any other industry that has experienced job losses over the last decade (Kawerau Mill, NZPost, Marsden Point etc etc). This is over-reported because its people they know and all about self-interest.

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are verbs so they are clearly "doing" something.

I think he means Melissa Lee, specifically. She's always been useless.

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#3217260 12-Apr-2024 09:38

SaltyNZ:

thinkingtrex8848:

are verbs so they are clearly "doing" something.

I think he means Melissa Lee, specifically. She's always been useless.

Fair point, sorry, I missed that.

However, she might be thinking she is allowed to be as useless as previous 2 ministers though?

Obviously we want her to be not useless, but hey the bar seems to have been set pretty low.

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#3217263 12-Apr-2024 09:53

I meant, she could now take this opportunity and step up and do something as Minister of Broadcasting.

Really, we heard endlessly this lot was going to get stuff done. Granted, she has only been in the role a short time, but she could at least be more forthcoming with what it is she is actually doing, outside of buzzwords.

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#3217265 12-Apr-2024 09:58

quickymart:

I meant, she could now take this opportunity and step up and do something as Minister of Broadcasting.

Really, we heard endlessly this lot was going to get stuff done. Granted, she has only been in the role a short time, but she could at least be more forthcoming with what it is she is actually doing, outside of buzzwords.

Yes, you are correct about this particular minister.

Govt as a whole, they have been doing too much too fast iMHO.

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#3217267 12-Apr-2024 09:59

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[Disagree completely. Like every other industry television needs to adapt or die. Newspapers are trying to adapt and innovate, they've gone through years of cost cutting in the face of declining revenue. Television boradcasting in NZ is now 2/3 the size it was in 2014 but what has TV done to right size itself. Its innovated with digital offerings but, like newspapers have found, yields are substantially lower (albeit there arent any restrictions on minutes of advertising per hour despite ability to know your audience yet volumes are significantly lower than broadcasting).

There arent any wrongs to right. Any industry thats been through turmoil understands whats going on. There are more minutes of "news" and analysis on the news changes in NZ than any other industry that has experienced job losses over the last decade (Kawerau Mill, NZPost, Marsden Point etc etc). This is over-reported because its people they know and all about self-interest.

Other countries are NOT going to run local NZ news stories, that is why it is so important to have a local industry. Just ask yourself how much "local" news do we get from Rarotonga...

THEN we get to the issue that the overseas companies will not employ locals, nor will they pay taxes here, so we both lose capability AND tax income.

Perhaps what COULD be done is to remove the tax deduction for businesses who use these companies, Apple, HP, etc , Alphabet, Facebook, Twitter, etc etc etc etc so that local advertising has a cost advantage. We already get overseas companies to collect GST on behalf of the government to improve the ability of local businesses to compete against imports.

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#3217268 12-Apr-2024 10:02

thinkingtrex8848:

Yes, you are correct about this particular minister.

Govt as a whole, they have been doing too much too fast iMHO.

100% agree, its knowing and understanding the consequences that maters. Problem is there is never any consequences (and being voted out is not one of them).
For example you can be more profitable short term by "delaying maintenance ", short term looks good, long term costs far more than the "savings" you made.

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