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#2256983 12-Jun-2019 19:39

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LOL ok

Based on your criteria for responses, this has to be one of the best to date.

Fine. Its one thing to be partisan, but if you wish to pick and choose , and exaggerate where needed, close eyes if needed, assume, guess, then don't expect a considered response

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Put ALL the cards on the table and discuss

I don't usually enjoy what Garner says, but in this case he too has summed up the events well, just like Hosking and his wife. Maybe everyone is wrong..or wait could it be your dark glasses...

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I missed this, but I will assume its what you want to hear?

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#2257115 13-Jun-2019 06:48

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This is pathetic.

Im well over KiwiBuild, But JC need to get a life. About are looking at rent to won, JC says "Judith Collins said Phil Twyford appeared to be giving up on the dream of Kiwi homeownership."

Yeah I wonder where the inability for home ownership came from.

It came from successive failures of Govts to implement planning reform or fund infrastructure to the extent it could support the levels of migration they were supporting.

Or did John Key personally invent homelessness and everything was tickety boo prior to November 2008?

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#2257140 13-Jun-2019 07:42

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This is pathetic.

Im well over KiwiBuild, But JC need to get a life. About are looking at rent to won, JC says "Judith Collins said Phil Twyford appeared to be giving up on the dream of Kiwi homeownership."

Yeah I wonder where the inability for home ownership came from.

It came from successive failures of Govts to implement planning reform or fund infrastructure to the extent it could support the levels of migration they were supporting.

Or did John Key personally invent homelessness and everything was tickety boo prior to November 2008?

House prices rise naturally, less so with less inflation. The last boom was due to low interest, and buying by rich foreignors. When you have an auction, and a small number of people think that paying 25% over market value is a great buy, there goes house prices. That could have been stopped so that buyers on Kiwi salaries are bidding. Things could have been done. There is no housing crisis etc.

This is off track though. My point was, that the Opposition blame the Govt for housing affordability. Affordability was already long gone before the last election. They blame the Govt for not supporting education and health. My god, thats also been down trodden over the last 10 years. Its disappointing BS.

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#2257155 13-Jun-2019 08:33

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This is off track though. My point was, that the Opposition blame the Govt for housing affordability. Affordability was already long gone before the last election. They blame the Govt for not supporting education and health. My god, thats also been down trodden over the last 10 years. Its disappointing BS.

And that means we shouldn't hold the Government to account for the sweeping promises they made during the last campaign, most of which they've since climbed down on or just dropped quietly in the background? How we're getting radical, transformational government that seems to be pretty much the same as the lot they spent nine long years decrying from the cross benches?

Don't get me wrong, I'm going to have to go through a horrible moral crisis before I can ever tick blue boxes again, but people seem willing to bend over backwards to look the other way and condone the same action that had them baying for blood two years ago. And for what? Because it's their side doing it?

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#2257160 13-Jun-2019 08:46

GV27:

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This is off track though. My point was, that the Opposition blame the Govt for housing affordability. Affordability was already long gone before the last election. They blame the Govt for not supporting education and health. My god, thats also been down trodden over the last 10 years. Its disappointing BS.

And that means we shouldn't hold the Government to account for the sweeping promises they made during the last campaign, most of which they've since climbed down on or just dropped quietly in the background? How we're getting radical, transformational government that seems to be pretty much the same as the lot they spent nine long years decrying from the cross benches?

Don't get me wrong, I'm going to have to go through a horrible moral crisis before I can ever tick blue boxes again, but people seem willing to bend over backwards to look the other way and condone the same action that had them baying for blood two years ago. And for what? Because it's their side doing it?

If the Govt lasts 9 years, we can compare. So far its 1.75 years. Bedding in period. Inherited underfunding everywhere, you cant argue about that. They were behind the 8 ball before their seats got warm. Mistakes and Kiwibuild.

From here, bedding in is no excuse. Still catching up underfunding, and we can hope that they learn from KB. Its still a tough ask. If they started if the country was stable, then its easy to compare, but they started when its in the red, funding wise. At least they are trying to do something about that, although those catchup funds would have been better elsewhere, but little choice right now. Lesser of two evils IMHO

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#2257165 13-Jun-2019 08:59

I am disappointed in this government but I hated the last one, so what do I do? Just wait patiently and hope for improvement, I guess. It would be nice if the opposition would quit circling like sharks and actually tried to make a positive contribution, but I suppose that is too much to hope for.

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#2257166 13-Jun-2019 09:03

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I am disappointed in this government but I hated the last one, so what do I do? Just wait patiently and hope for improvement, I guess. It would be nice if the opposition would quit circling like sharks and actually tried to make a positive contribution, but I suppose that is too much to hope for.

...because Labour were so constructive in opposition? Why is this suddenly an obligation that people want to foist upon National?

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#2257169 13-Jun-2019 09:07

Rikkitic:

I am disappointed in this government but I hated the last one, so what do I do? Just wait patiently and hope for improvement, I guess. It would be nice if the opposition would quit circling like sharks and actually tried to make a positive contribution, but I suppose that is too much to hope for.

I think all Oppositions circle like sharks, they all oppose by default, irregardless if its a good idea. If its an obvious idea they quietly agree

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#2257170 13-Jun-2019 09:08

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From here, bedding in is no excuse. Still catching up underfunding, and we can hope that they learn from KB. Its still a tough ask. If they started if the country was stable, then its easy to compare, but they started when its in the red, funding wise. At least they are trying to do something about that, although those catchup funds would have been better elsewhere, but little choice right now. Lesser of two evils IMHO

The stupid thing about Kiwibuild is it's not costing them that much money at all, simply by virtue of not being capable of executing. I don't consider that a positive development 😅

I also really don't buy the under-funding either. Considering they were keen to roll back almost any performance metric (see: Healthcare) we've now ended up with a situation where we supposedly have less elected surgeries than before. So for all the talk of 'underfunding', they seem to be solving the problem with nominal spending increases but without the 'burden' of accountability. Is it making a difference? Who knows! That's a damn sight different to the pre-election rallying calls.

The irony to me is people rampantly mocked Stephen Joyce's $11bn hole, but there's a solid chance that the only reason it didn't happen is because the Govt was either never serious about their promises or just couldn't deliver what they campaigned on?

Am I supposed to give them credit for that?

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#2257172 13-Jun-2019 09:10

If this Govt catches up some stuff left behind, makes some progress on other stuff, starts to wind down and divert KB to other housing policies thats as good as can be expected.

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#2257177 13-Jun-2019 09:22

GV27:

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From here, bedding in is no excuse. Still catching up underfunding, and we can hope that they learn from KB. Its still a tough ask. If they started if the country was stable, then its easy to compare, but they started when its in the red, funding wise. At least they are trying to do something about that, although those catchup funds would have been better elsewhere, but little choice right now. Lesser of two evils IMHO

The stupid thing about Kiwibuild is it's not costing them that much money at all, simply by virtue of not being capable of executing. I don't consider that a positive development 😅

I also really don't buy the under-funding either. Considering they were keen to roll back almost any performance metric (see: Healthcare) we've now ended up with a situation where we supposedly have less elected surgeries than before. So for all the talk of 'underfunding', they seem to be solving the problem with nominal spending increases but without the 'burden' of accountability. Is it making a difference? Who knows! That's a damn sight different to the pre-election rallying calls.

The irony to me is people rampantly mocked Stephen Joyce's $11bn hole, but there's a solid chance that the only reason it didn't happen is because the Govt was either never serious about their promises or just couldn't deliver what they campaigned on?

Am I supposed to give them credit for that?

Where did I say that KB is a positive development? Its true that it hasn't cost much due to not much happening. There has been underfunding. Its impossible to FIX that today, all they or anyone can do is allocate what extra they can. It was never to be an overnight catchup

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#2257180 13-Jun-2019 09:26

Lets be frank, No Govt will rewrite the world, turn NZ into a Utopia. The vast majority of spending will happen under any Govt. The "policies" that differ are a small percentage of overall spending. No matter who is in power we will still have spending we want to do, but cannot. It just comes down to how we manage what we cannot afford. So, any budget that does a little, and thus causes bitching, is probably a sound budget

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#2257257 13-Jun-2019 10:01

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Where did I say that KB is a positive development? Its true that it hasn't cost much due to not much happening. There has been underfunding. Its impossible to FIX that today, all they or anyone can do is allocate what extra they can. It was never to be an overnight catchup

They probably should have been a lot clearer with some of their campaign promises, or their 'Town Hall' post-election campaign rally.

I recall an election where Bill English was made out to be uncaring because he didn't have a solution that immediately get families out of emergency housing and into warm, dry, stable housing.

Everything seemed pretty urgent then.

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#2257258 13-Jun-2019 10:03

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Lets be frank, No Govt will rewrite the world, turn NZ into a Utopia. The vast majority of spending will happen under any Govt. The "policies" that differ are a small percentage of overall spending. No matter who is in power we will still have spending we want to do, but cannot. It just comes down to how we manage what we cannot afford. So, any budget that does a little, and thus causes bitching, is probably a sound budget

The issue is there was none of this prudence or 'steady as she goes' when we were being promised transformational government in 2017.

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#2257260 13-Jun-2019 10:14

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Lets be frank, No Govt will rewrite the world, turn NZ into a Utopia. The vast majority of spending will happen under any Govt. The "policies" that differ are a small percentage of overall spending. No matter who is in power we will still have spending we want to do, but cannot. It just comes down to how we manage what we cannot afford. So, any budget that does a little, and thus causes bitching, is probably a sound budget

The issue is there was none of this prudence or 'steady as she goes' when we were being promised transformational government in 2017.

Marketing 101, everyone does it. But having said that, a list of things implemented in the first 3 year would be interesting. While there would be the usual default criticism of anything they do, they actually are doing things. Rather then sitting on their hands and letting the market do it. RMA is being reviewed now by both sides. One side has 9 years, =0. Lets see what happens here

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