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#193786 24-Mar-2016 11:27
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I have asked the Electoral Commission on whether there is public information available on duplicate voting where people try to vote twice through voting at more than one voting booth or, in the case of the flag mail referendum, using other people's mail voting papers to illegally vote on their behalf.


I'm asking this because we did not receive any flag voting papers (3 for our household) and so have requested replacement ones and voted using these. It is possible that our original voting papers were stolen and that others used them to vote. The electoral commission say they cancel missing voting papers so only the replacements count. They have not said if they can tell whether the originals were also used to vote by someone else.


Can one find out, possibly via the Official Information Act (Your/our right to know) how many duplicate and so possible fraudulent votes were/are received for the same person. Any stolen mail voting forms sent in would count as genuine votes if replacements were not requested. Perhaps online voting would stop this.




Secondly, assuming your address details are up to date, how many people did not receive flag voting papers?

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  #1518903 24-Mar-2016 11:41
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Yes you can use the official information act for that purpose. It is ideal for that.

Edit: At the same time you could find out how many requested replacement voting papers.


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  #1518907 24-Mar-2016 11:45
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It would be very difficult to track down voting papers that are stolen by someone else in the household or through the failure of previous residents to update their information with the Electoral Commission. Especially when the person in question does not notice or care. This would be even more difficult to identify and record by the Commission so I would not expect that information to be readily available. Given the effort the Commission goes to to ensure address details are updated before papers are sent out I imagine the numbers are quite low nonetheless.


Duplicate votes at different voting stations is a non-issue and is already managed by the voting system.


Online voting is a terrible idea. 


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  #1518937 24-Mar-2016 11:52
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There's a partial answer already from a public OIA request:


Refer Appendix 3 of the draft strategy document, where weaknesses of the postal ballot system are discussed.


Stats - no.  It doesn't look like it's been investigated.

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  #1518987 24-Mar-2016 12:32
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im pretty sure all the flag voting papers have QR codes on them that are unique to the paper and to you. In the case of a paper not arriving they know where each paper was sent and they can just void those papers so the votes wouldn't count.



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  #1519020 24-Mar-2016 13:08
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im pretty sure all the flag voting papers have QR codes on them that are unique to the paper and to you. In the case of a paper not arriving they know where each paper was sent and they can just void those papers so the votes wouldn't count.



Voiding the vote is what they do. How many originals are sent in that have to be voided? If there are any at all then it is a concern as only those who requested replacements would be flagged for further investigation.


I have since had an update from the Electoral Commission that: "If we receive your original voting paper, we will certainly look into the matter further." I trust they will not only do this for my voting paper but for any others as well.

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  #1519129 24-Mar-2016 15:57
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I certainly read stories of people using voting papers of people who - it was claimed - did not want to vote in the flag thing.

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