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#248876 14-Apr-2019 10:47

There is a crowded lineup. Let's start with this guy. Pete Buttigieg. Speaks several languages. Military service. Charismatic and Church going Christian. Ticks all the traditional boxes.

Intro with Seth Myers:

He's happy talking to Fox News:

More coverage with Maher's talk show:

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#2221949 22-Apr-2019 07:34

Bernie Sanders townhall with fox news in the shadow of a mothballed steel plant. He handles the first question badly and hits a better stride after that:

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#2222010 22-Apr-2019 09:11

Sanders and Warren are no hopers.

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#2222332 22-Apr-2019 18:55

SJB: Sanders and Warren are no hopers.

Sanders is usually polling at the top equal with or ahead of Biden.

Random example with Sanders ahead:

More here: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/democratic_nomination_polls/

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#2222441 22-Apr-2019 21:42

I meant for President not for Dems candidate.

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#2222445 22-Apr-2019 22:09

SJB: Sanders and Warren are no hopers.

SJB: I meant for President not for Dems candidate.

Still don't know where you're coming from. Sanders is doing well there. In a two way contest between Sanders and Trump - Fox News polls show Sanders leading.

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#2222540 23-Apr-2019 09:36

During the 2016 primary head to head polling had Sanders beating Trump quite handily. I think it was closer against traditional Republicans, and was losing against the more moderate ones like Rubio. He appealed to a similar disenfranchised element of the electorate that Trump does. They both offered the promise of shaking up the system and giving a chance to the poor whites out of work steel workers etc in the so called rustbelt. He had trouble in the primary as he isn't accepted by the more mainstream centrist democrats. I think polls around that time showed Clinton handily beating everyone but Trump, but she was expected to achieve a narrow win against him. Also Traditional wisdom predicted Trump wouldn't win the primary.

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#2222745 23-Apr-2019 16:53

Varkk:

During the 2016 primary head to head polling had Sanders beating Trump quite handily.

It did for Clinton after selection too, massively so (except for one notable poll) right up to the moment Trump won.

While policy-wise, I like Sanders and would prefer him to "mainstream" or "establishment" Democrats, I doubt it'll happen. You never saw how dishonest and dirty Trump & Co could get with Sanders, we saw that with Clinton. I think selling "fear of socialism" would be pretty easy, and have no doubt that's what they'd do, in a big way, as has happened before in the US where socialism is a dirty word and fully "un American".

I don't know what they should do, but have an expectation that now Trump's got away with an unprecedented constant barrage of lies, the 2020 campaign is going to be much uglier than 2016.

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#2222815 23-Apr-2019 19:21

Biden is yet to formally announce his run. Everyone knows he will run.

Biden will have to adopt some of Sanders plans or risk losing votes to the wind.

The question for Biden is how much to adopt and how early. The problem will be some backers could be happier with another loss than advocating any Sanders policies at all. Like that Starbucks founder party funder guy.

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#2225472 26-Apr-2019 13:01

Biden official announcement:

Main message I take from this is Biden is not Trump vote for Biden.

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#2226333 27-Apr-2019 13:37

20 Candidates for Dem nomination. They are hurting their chances. Unfortunately, America has shown again and again that they aren't worried by the world view of their President. They gave Bush Jnr a second term and Trump will get one too I predict. Though, I have been wrong before, I saw Trump failing to get the nomination and then failing to win the College vote.

In my experience, what people will say to your face, is different from what happens in a polling booth.

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#2226340 27-Apr-2019 14:09

networkn: 20 Candidates for Dem nomination.

Relatively normal for USA. Let the horse trading begin. Republicans had 17 last time.

If the democrats can avoid bloodletting during the process they have a chance.

Biden's kickoff did not hint at other candidates - good start there.

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#2238814 16-May-2019 09:48

Sanders and Biden are both just too old. They would be 79 and 78 respectively when inaugurated, 87 and 86 respectively at the end if an 8 year presidency.

Life expectancy for males in the USA is 77.

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#2238915 16-May-2019 10:47

Paul1977:

Sanders and Biden are both just too old. They would be 79 and 78 respectively when inaugurated, 87 and 86 respectively at the end if an 8 year presidency.

Life expectancy for males in the USA is 77.

But that's an average, these two are both rich, white guys....

This study from the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) found that people in rich areas in the U.S. can expect to outlive those in poor areas by at least 20 years.

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#2238916 16-May-2019 10:47

Paul1977:

Life expectancy for males in the USA is 77.

What is the life expectancy for rich white males with access to the best healthcare in the US and no worry about cost?

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#2238937 16-May-2019 11:03

Not necessarily saying they are going to die (though it is certainly very possible), but there is often a pretty steep mental and physical decline when people get into their 80s. Obviously these things vary from person to person, but look at Reagan at the end of his presidency.

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