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#270146 25-Apr-2020 13:40
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The subject has again arisen of paying for news media subscriptions. Most of us here can probably get around paywalls without too much trouble but media are hurting. What about the ethical imperative?

 

As a pensioner on a limited income, I am careful what I spend money on. Which is not to say I couldn't afford more. The problem I have is deciding how much something is worth to me. For example, I don't normally read the Guardian. I don't have a problem with it, but everyone is begging for money and you have to draw a line somewhere. The only time I visit the Guardian is when following a link that takes me there, so I am not inclined to subscribe, however guilty they make me feel. 

 

When I rarely read articles but just scan headlines, I ask myself if I am getting enough value to justify subscribing. Am I cheating if I just read the headlines? I don't know.

 

In the meantime, I have found a compromise for sites like Newsroom and The Spinoff, where I make one-time donations when I feel so inclined. I prefer this to being locked into subscriptions. I also use Press Patron. Is it enough? I doubt it but it's better than nothing.

 

 





I don't think there is ever a bad time to talk about how absurd war is, how old men make decisions and young people die. - George Clooney
 


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  #2471013 25-Apr-2020 14:01
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Short: Newsroom and Spinoff, yes. NZ Herald and Stuff? No.

 

Stuff is even a special case of low quality in my opinion.





 

 

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  #2471106 25-Apr-2020 15:07
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Newsroom, Spinoff, RNZ yes. NZ Herald, Stuff and Newshub not a chance in hell.





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  #2473720 29-Apr-2020 22:52
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Rikkitic:

 

 What about the ethical imperative?

 

 

I'll try to keep my rant as brief as possible. I'm somewhat pessimistic about the fate of humanity, facing an assortment of "wicked problems" for which "consensus" is but a dream - then there's a related concept - the "Social Mess":

 

According to Horn, the defining characteristics of a social mess are:

 

     

  1. No unique "correct" view of the problem; 
  2. Different views of the problem and contradictory solutions;
  3. Most problems are connected to other problems;
  4. Data are often uncertain or missing;
  5. Multiple value conflicts;
  6. Ideological and cultural constraints;
  7. Political constraints;
  8. Economic constraints;
  9. Often a-logical or illogical or multi-valued thinking;
  10. Numerous possible intervention points;
  11. Consequences difficult to imagine;
  12. Considerable uncertainty, ambiguity;
  13. Great resistance to change; and,
  14. Problem solver(s) out of contact with the problems and potential solutions.

 

IMO that's a "bingo" wrt news media - 14 out of 14 correct.

 

Sorry but my ranting doesn't extend to offering a solution.  My bottom line would be that access to reliable/reputable and political influence-free news should always be completely free and accessible to every person on the planet.


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  #2473851 30-Apr-2020 10:04
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MikeB4:

 

Newsroom, Spinoff, RNZ yes. NZ Herald, Stuff and Newshub not a chance in hell.

 

 

I find the Spinoff to be incredibly condescending in some ways - good at light fluffy stuff like The Bachelor NZ summaries, but their coverage of things like Auckland issues is pretty lacking compared to blogs like Greater Auckland or Bike AKL.

 

I would not class them in the same realm as Newsroom or interest.co.nz. 


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  #2473979 30-Apr-2020 12:05
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GV27:

 

MikeB4:

 

Newsroom, Spinoff, RNZ yes. NZ Herald, Stuff and Newshub not a chance in hell.

 

 

I find the Spinoff to be incredibly condescending in some ways - good at light fluffy stuff like The Bachelor NZ summaries, but their coverage of things like Auckland issues is pretty lacking compared to blogs like Greater Auckland or Bike AKL.

 

I would not class them in the same realm as Newsroom or interest.co.nz. 

 

 

I was going to look at the Spinoff, but as soon as I saw "The Bachelor NZ" I was put right off.

 

That is NOT news, nor as far as I am concerned news worthy.

 

At its VERY best its garbage and the soon programs like that (and most of the "reality TV junk) die die die the better off we will be.

 

And don't get me onto the "reboot" TV series model, none of them last because compared to the original they are poorly written, worse acted, and have no merit.




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  #2474130 30-Apr-2020 15:19
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Fred99:

 

My bottom line would be that access to reliable/reputable and political influence-free news should always be completely free and accessible to every person on the planet.

 

 

My bottom line would be that everyone should spend eternity in Heaven. Since that is as unachievable as yours, maybe it would be acceptable to just have news that is a 'best effort' to be objective and unbiased, not impossibly expensive to access, and reasonably easy to get at for most people.

 

 





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  #2474133 30-Apr-2020 15:24
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sir1963:

 

I was going to look at the Spinoff, but as soon as I saw "The Bachelor NZ" I was put right off.

 

 

I have no idea what the Spinoff is saying about The Bachelor NZ because I have no interest whatsoever in The Bachelor NZ. The stories that do interest me have been worth my time reading so I include the Spinoff in my media choices.

 

 





I don't think there is ever a bad time to talk about how absurd war is, how old men make decisions and young people die. - George Clooney
 


 
 
 
 


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  #2474139 30-Apr-2020 15:30
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I don't think any of the MSM platforms are worth paying for.   I get NBR via work which is useful.  I get my news mainly from RNZ, which I suppose some miniscule  percentage of my annual tax payments help fund.  I travel rurally a lot, and RNZ has the best coverage.  It's not very balanced reporting anymore, but once you know the bias, you can filter accordingly.





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  #2476276 4-May-2020 13:39
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Except for Tuesday Christchurch Press before the internet and early days have never paid for news. Only got Tuesday press as it had what was on TV for the week and a computer section in pull out.

 

Even if paywalls go up will still be able to find what’s on TV now. I read news online, but if all pay walled every where would just not worry about it.

 

Still have radio and news on TV.




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  #2498865 5-Jun-2020 12:00
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Interesting essay on the role of print media.

 

 





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  #2498921 5-Jun-2020 12:37
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Rikkitic:

Interesting essay on the role of print media.


This is the view of an editor of a free local newspaper. This is similar to Google's view of newspapers. Not all local papers will subscribe to this view.

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  #2498999 5-Jun-2020 13:34
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Depends on the service. If I had to pay a subscription for the BBC I would (in fact I think they should have a subscription service for non UK residents).

 

I get a local paper delivered (Timaru Herald) but if they did away with the crossword page I'd probably cancel.

 

For NZ news I use RNZ but their reporting is often biased IMO and if they charged I wouldn't subscribe.

 

 


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  #2499231 5-Jun-2020 18:59
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I think if the BBC (or whoever) introduced a subscription based model, not that many people would subscribe. I would hardly call the takeup numbers for the Herald a roaring success - although the BBC has better quality articles.


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  #2500463 8-Jun-2020 11:34
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SJB:

 

I get a local paper delivered (Timaru Herald) but if they did away with the crossword page I'd probably cancel.

 

 

You can buy whole books of crossword puzzles.  I'm hooked on Codecracker books.





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  #2500474 8-Jun-2020 11:50
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MikeAqua:

 

SJB:

 

I get a local paper delivered (Timaru Herald) but if they did away with the crossword page I'd probably cancel.

 

 

You can buy whole books of crossword puzzles.  I'm hooked on Codecracker books.

 

 

My wife has several of those Codecracker books. The crossword page is actually a whole page of games including Sodoku and Codecracker.


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