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#303918 20-Mar-2023 11:42
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So this actually left me a bit salty. I know other providers also have a 30 day notice period too...

 

My parents were with Voyager for just over 6 years but were paying $89 for VDSL. We're all penny pinching with home loan interest rates on the rise and cost of living going through the roof so I changed them across to another provider who were heaps cheaper after Voyager were refusing to budge on price. My parents don't need all the fancy stuff, they just need something that'll allow them to stream Netflix.

 

Anyway, being both VDSL and rural and on another island to me I wanted to ensure their move went without a hitch. Their new ISP provides a router but also uses port based auth so it is rather easy to swap. I put through a connection request and set it to ASAP (which was about 16 days from when I logged it) but decided to not tell Voyager I was leaving them as I didn't want anyone potentially logging a disconnect order on their line. Once the change happened I then messaged Voyager informing them I had churned the connection and to refund any credit back to my Dads account and got this:

 

Dear Michael,
 
We will be able to close your account on the date you notified us on the 15/03/2023, but I do need to advise you that we do have a 30 day notice period for closing your account with us and you will be billed until the 14/04/2023.
 
We will process the cancellation order for you now based on this time frame.
 
Please let us know if we can be of any further assistance.
 
Kind regards
Voyager Support Team

 

No "sorry to see you go" or anything like that - just what seems to be a final cash grab. I was actually unaware of their 30 day policy and also wasn't informed of this when we called in an attempt to get a better deal. I flicked them a quick message back:

 

Hi there,

 

We've tried to get this closer to the billing period cut-off. I also know Voyager is not getting charged any wholesale fees as from yesterday so this does seem a little like a cash grab. Had I known I would have deferred the churn notifying you sooner but didn't also want to risk a full disconnect.

 

We'd appreciate it if you just bill for march and nothing past that in that case. 

 

Cheers,
Michael

 

and never actually got a response from this email. I know this is my fault for not checking their 30 day notice period so this is now a warning to everyone else thinking of moving - let them know else they'll charge! It is a bit of a bummer as my parents, like many of us are not in the strongest financial position so the $89 they're billing here for essentially nothing would have been a help for them. Don't get me wrong, Voyager are still a great ISP and I'll still recommend them but this just goes to show that a little bit of loyalty doesn't matter at all to the beancounters.





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  #3054630 25-Mar-2023 22:35
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There's a lot of replies on this thread talking about ONTs and second ports etc etc but as per the original post this was a VDSL connection, so many of those comments are not applicable. For DSL, there is no ONT and no second port to connect to - unless you have a second copper line installed at your property. 

 

In a DSL transfer scenario, the Losing Service Provider does not receive any advanced notice of the churn. A notification to the LSP is only sent upon completion of the churn. Many years ago it was my job to process all the incoming losing service provider notifications for Telecom/Spark, so I know the process well. These notifications are sent via Wireline and require an acknowledgement from the LSP.

 

Also worth mentioning that the copper provisioning system only allows a single service order on a connection at any time. So as long as a gaining service provider has actually submitted their transfer request in Wireline and it's been accepted into the system, the losing service provider cannot disconnect the existing service - at least not at network level. If they try, they will get a 011 rejection ("open service order"). I suppose they could revoke authentication but the underlying DSL service would still work until such time as the transfer is completed. 

 

@michaelmurfy An incumbent RSP cannot easily tell if a transfer order has been placed on their DSL connection prior to the due date. The only way they would know is if they tried to place an order of their own - in that case they would get the 011 rejection notification above, stating there's already an open order on the connection.

 

A gaining RSP can place a DSL transfer request at anytime, but the minimum is two working days (and a maximum of 60 from memory).

 

By the way, POTS voice and DSL are regulated services to which the TCF Customer Transfer Code applies. There are clauses in the code that specifically forbid a losing service provider from contacting their customer for the purposes of preventing or delaying a transfer away from being completed. If a losing service provider does become aware of an imminent transfer away from them, they "may contact the End Customer about any processing/technical issues but may not use this opportunity to attempt to win the End Customer back or refer the End Customer to any other personnel within their organisation that engages in retail sales activity".





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