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  #336541 31-May-2010 12:17
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wmoore: When people say they prefer LCD over Plasma, their mind is usually made up from what they see in a retail store. Firstly there are always more LCD than plasmas on display, most LCD have been set to superbrightsupercolourlookatme mode. The only true way to compare an LCD and plasma, is to put them under normal household lighting, all colour processing etc must be turned off and a ISF calibration should be done. The playback machine and even cables should be the same. Only then can you really say which you prefer.

 'In Australia, Great Britain and several other European markets, independent surveys have been conducted on the perception of Plasma versus LCD technology. Initially 56% of those surveyed thought LCD would offer better picture quality than Plasma with 42% thinking Plasma was better. These viewers were then shown both Plasma and LCD TVs in normal home lighting conditions and the swing to Plasma was very marked – up to 69%, with only 31% believing that LCD looked better.'


Its a moot point for the OP. He wants a 32" set which rules out Plasma.



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  #336566 31-May-2010 12:43
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I'm going to throw in my opinion for LCD. I found that I need to dim the lighting in an average room considerably to watch plasma sets comfortably. That's just not practical for me. Further, all the plasma sets I've seen use a glossy screen. It reflects light badly, so watching TV or movies without the curtains closed is basically out of the question.

The choice was easier for me because I much prefer the crisp images on LCD. Some people prefer plasmas for the same reason though, so only you can make that comparison.

I did a 'lot' of homework before I bought my set. I got a Sony 46" W4500. It whipped every Samsung and plasma I compared it with, with the exceptions of the Pioneer plasmas (those televisions, though expensive, are incredible). I would have gone for an X series Sony if I could afford it.

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  #336588 31-May-2010 13:13
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As LCD is your only choice (if you find a decent brand LED for <$1000 buy it, but you wont!) thats not much of an issue.

I would definately recommend the Samsungs, I have a 32" Series 6 and my father has 2 Sony's - a 32 and a 46 - and he is jealous of my Samsung.  It is pretty easy to get a decent 32" for $800 or less these days.

Oh, and if anything I'm actually a Sony Fanboy.  PS3 for the win!



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  #337034 1-Jun-2010 14:13
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GBristow: I'm going to throw in my opinion for LCD. I found that I need to dim the lighting in an average room considerably to watch plasma sets comfortably.


That surprises me as I would say the opposite is true, I have a Pioneer Plasma and even though it is coming up on 4.5 years old and it has a fantastic picture even in a light room, The only time I would have to dim the light or pull a curtain is of the sun is shining on the screen or directly on me.
I find that LCDs less viewable in light conditions because of matt screens diffused reflected light. And at angles.

I am firmly in the plasma camp after years of viewing many LCD TV's both instore and in homes and I have yet to see one that is as good [picturewise] as a decent plasma. I have found them to bet getting sharper but still lacking in colour depth and the ability to handle SD sources with any grace.

I am aware that shop displays are overbright [out of box] and not a good representation of how it is supposed to look. Personally i think that if a store isn't prepared to set their shop display TV's up properly, they shouldn't even turn them on.  As for why they insist on splitting an SD signal 10 ways in some places so there is a wall of grainy looking overbright TV's is beyond me. Undecided It's like they don't even want to sell them.

That said, I do have the Sony Bravia full HD LCD mentioned in an earlier thread in the bedroom. It is fine as a 2nd TV for occasional bed time viewing [no, not that sort Surprised] and I'll admit the picture from the built in Freeview HD is good and sharp I still look at it and think how flat the colour is compared to the plasma in the living room. This is the last hurdle for me accepting LCD as a contender for replacing a plasma. LCDs seem to have this washed out-ness because of the rear screen lighting.  Even if I adjust the settings 8 ways from Sunday, I can't get a good compromise between black blacks and good colour depth without the reds being too red. But overall I would recommend it if you are after a fully featured 32" full HD TV.  USB socket fo photos and video [some video, and you have to register your Dixv license or something, I haven't managed to get it to play anything directly] 

Aren't the LED TV's someone else mentioned a bit of a con as the LED refers to the rear lighting source as opposed to the pixels? Or have they now made genuine LED TV displays?

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  #337044 1-Jun-2010 14:21
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LED is just referring to the backlight, so yeah... it's just the same as an LCD, but in theory is cheaper to manufacture / easier to ship around the world. Hence we'll see them replace LCD soon enough.

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  #337079 1-Jun-2010 15:43
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An LED TV is going to be better than an LCD TV.  The LED backlighting is more even for a start, and they can be smarter about only lighting up areas at the back that require light, which improves the blacks elsewhere.  People got hung up on the fact that it's still and LCD screen up front, but that doesn't mean the TV will be better.

Me, I'm Plasma through and through, for my main TV at least.  LCD is a backlight that's on all the time in most LCD TV's and to make black you have to block it out.  Plasma only lights up when it's needed so the blacks are as black as you can get cos nothings making light.  Plasma is heavier because it has a slab of real glass at the front, not a plastic cover, but I see this as a plus.  Harder to mount, and you want your mounts to be very secure, but once it's up and going, who cares how much it weighs?  It uses way more power than LCD and this sucks.  It's winter now though, so I can use that extra heat now anyway.  I need to close the curtains directly across from it during the day if I'm watching anything I care about, but I got that with my samsung LCD previously too.

 
 
 
 

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  #337092 1-Jun-2010 16:47
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tkr001: He wants a 32" set which rules out Plasma.


I think by the name and photo it's a she :) 




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  #337098 1-Jun-2010 16:55
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vinnieg:
tkr001: He wants a 32" set which rules out Plasma.


I think by the name and photo it's a she :) 


IT certainly is! Laughing




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  #337115 1-Jun-2010 17:49
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Jaxson: An LED TV is going to be better than an LCD TV.  The LED backlighting is more even for a start, and they can be smarter about only lighting up areas at the back that require light, which improves the blacks elsewhere.  People got hung up on the fact that it's still and LCD screen up front, but that doesn't mean the TV will be better.


There are no sectionally lit LED backlit TVs available in NZ, just edge lit which are only better than a CCFL backlight in warmup time and longevity.

They are just putting the LED backlight only on good panels at the moment so they can charge a premium. Since most LCD failures are backlight related I expect that the AOCs and other low end brands will change over soon and offer LED on crap panels for a small markup just so they can sell to suckers, and also reduce their warranty rate.




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  #337264 2-Jun-2010 09:49
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bluedisk: I can highly recommend the Sony 32" LCD set model number KDL-32EX400 which I bought from Smiths City market in Porirua yesterday for $799.

To me thats an incredible price for a great set with full HD. I'm sure you won't be disappointed with this model. 

As far as Plasma vs LCD goes I've had both and personally prefer LCD. They are lighter to move around, less power hungry and these days have a better picture in my opinion.

JBHifi had the same model for around $897  so a bit of shopping around can pay off.

And it has freeview as well... 


Agreed - Plasma will be the first to dry up and come off the market.

LCD & LED will always be around.  Especially when LED TVs start to get more advanced and cheaper.

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  #337269 2-Jun-2010 10:05
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cgrew:
bluedisk: I can highly recommend the Sony 32" LCD set model number KDL-32EX400 which I bought from Smiths City market in Porirua yesterday for $799.

To me thats an incredible price for a great set with full HD. I'm sure you won't be disappointed with this model. 

As far as Plasma vs LCD goes I've had both and personally prefer LCD. They are lighter to move around, less power hungry and these days have a better picture in my opinion.

JBHifi had the same model for around $897  so a bit of shopping around can pay off.

And it has freeview as well... 


Agreed - Plasma will be the first to dry up and come off the market.

LCD & LED will always be around.  Especially when LED TVs start to get more advanced and cheaper.


Don't agree that Plasma will dry up and come off the market. Panasonic 3DTV are plasma based
and many high end home theatres will use plasma, also don't forget commercial clients as well.

There is also OLED TV and SED TV (maybe ?)




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  #337293 2-Jun-2010 11:00
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wmoore:
cgrew:
bluedisk: I can highly recommend the Sony 32" LCD set model number KDL-32EX400 which I bought from Smiths City market in Porirua yesterday for $799.

To me thats an incredible price for a great set with full HD. I'm sure you won't be disappointed with this model. 

As far as Plasma vs LCD goes I've had both and personally prefer LCD. They are lighter to move around, less power hungry and these days have a better picture in my opinion.

JBHifi had the same model for around $897  so a bit of shopping around can pay off.

And it has freeview as well... 


Agreed - Plasma will be the first to dry up and come off the market.

LCD & LED will always be around.  Especially when LED TVs start to get more advanced and cheaper.


Don't agree that Plasma will dry up and come off the market. Panasonic 3DTV are plasma based
and many high end home theatres will use plasma, also don't forget commercial clients as well.

There is also OLED TV and SED TV (maybe ?)


I'm just not confident 3D TVs will take off in today's market - there is barely any decent HD content let alone 3D content.  Consumer's can't keep up with the ever growing technological advancements in home entertainment.  I don't know of anyone at this stage thinking of replacing their not so so old LCD or Plasma TV for a new 3D TV?

As for these new AMOLED TVs maufacturers are developing - that tech is still years down the track before it will ever be an affordable price for consumers.  I haven't heard of SED TVs?  Please enlighten me..?

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  #337303 2-Jun-2010 11:30
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On the LED side, just be aware that these TVs are so thin that their speakers are basically becoming useless in terms of turning up their volumes. Downside of having thin TVs, so be ready as well to upgrade your Audio Video system to a home theater.




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  #337311 2-Jun-2010 11:52
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cgrew: I'm just not confident 3D TVs will take off in today's market 
Technology is only going in one direction.  3D will drop in price and then everyone will get that one when they purchase a new TV.  There is very little content now, but it is coming, just check out what 3D films are out now or in production.

Re Plasma disappearing.  Plasma has a lot of unpopular attributes, like weight and power consumption.  However it has hung in there, primarily with those who value picture quality (ie how it performs) over how it looks cosmetically (ie how thin it is etc).  Panasonic has released this technology in 3D so I don't see it being dropped right away, though who knows future wise as other technologies improve.

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  #337312 2-Jun-2010 11:52
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lissie: We are shopping for a new TV - the old CRT with crap reception has got to go. I want freeview with HD recorder no question. We are moving too - hopefully to a townhouse so a 32" TV will be fine and wouldn't pay more than a $1000 for a TV 


What size CRT are you replacing? A CRT screen size is around 2 inches smaller than the equivalent quoted diagonal size of a flat panel TV.
To get the full benefit of a HD TV broadcast your viewing distance for a 32" flat panel TV is around seven feet away.
I reckon a 42" would be mininum personally.

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