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#143057 2-Apr-2014 11:17
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One of the reasons we bought an Apple TV was to provide us with an easy (and quality) way of being able to display content from the iPad on a television - not only at home, but also when on holiday. Now we're just about to go off for a break and want to use it for this purpose, and I've realised the problem that comes with the ATV needing to be connected to the same network as the iPad - not a problem at home, of course, but a major issue if it's at locations such as where we're going this weekend, where there is no network available.

I've read up various solutions for this problem, the most common being using a router or Airport Express to create a network, but of course this means lugging yet another device around (and defeats on one of the reasons I wanted to do this in the first place - I may as well take my laptop and plug that directly in). The solution that won't require additional devices is creating a hotspot on the iPad, and I'm fine with doing this - other than I'm worried about having little control over the devices' use of 3G data, when the sole purpose of creating the network is to allow the transfer of local data. An iPad doesn't allow one to enable "personal hotspot" when "cellular data" is disabled, so there's not a choice of having the former without the latter being on.

Can anyone advise whether there are any options to ensure the iPad or "attached" ATV don't use 3G data in these circumstances?

I'm mindful that the data on my iPad is 1. provided by my friend (he generously lets me share his data) and 2. is for 2 degrees' own coverage areas only (he buys the large packs), so it's important I can control this!

I see that my (Android) phone does enable a hotspot to be enabled without having the 3G data turned on; I can successfully connect the iPad to that (am at work so can't test the whole scenario) - would this work as an alternative? Or does this introduce other problems? I'd rather avoid having to throw another device into the mix, but if it ensures no data usage...

Thanks for any advice.

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  #1017076 2-Apr-2014 11:29
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Have you consider getting Lightning/Dock Digital AV adapter - depending which model of iPad you have? It's cheaper solution and easier solution...




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  #1017085 2-Apr-2014 11:36
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Does the ipad personal hotspot actually require the 3G connection to be active?, or simply enabled via the OS?,

i.e can you enable the hotspot if you eject the SIM from the Ipad. but still leave the cellular data option on?

As mentioned above , I also use the video cable option when I want to connect my ipad to a TV to display movies

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  #1017106 2-Apr-2014 11:59
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chiefie: Have you consider getting Lightning/Dock Digital AV adapter - depending which model of iPad you have? It's cheaper solution and easier solution...


Do you mean the "cable" sold by Apple for about $80? If so, I made a deliberate descision to not go down that route due to well-publicised problems with the cable for lightning-equipped devices (as per my earlier thread here - the same one that resulted in me purchasing an Apple TV!). I wasn't happy with a "solution" that would result in degraded audio and video.

Plus, the Apple TV cost me $27 (thanks to Apple Store vouchers as a "discount" when I bought the iPad), and does heaps more than a cable ever could - eg full-quality Netflix access, let alone providing a wireless connection between the TV and iPad.

Hence me trying to solve this consequential problem of having gone down the Apple TV route!



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  #1017109 2-Apr-2014 12:06
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I read somewhere very recently, like last week, that ATV's latest update in conjunction with iOS7.1 supported AirPlay over Bluetooth. I haven't tried it myself but it sounds like that could solve your problem?

Edit: here's a link - http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/03/12/latest-apple-tv-61-update-enables-airplay-over-bluetooth-for-ios-71-devices


Hmm, sounds like it could just be for discovery but might be worth a shot.

Double edit, yeah sorry, just for discovery. Streaming still has to take place over WiFi. 

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  #1017113 2-Apr-2014 12:08
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jonathan18:
chiefie: Have you consider getting Lightning/Dock Digital AV adapter - depending which model of iPad you have? It's cheaper solution and easier solution...


Do you mean the "cable" sold by Apple for about $80? If so, I made a deliberate descision to not go down that route due to well-publicised problems with the cable for lightning-equipped devices (as per my earlier thread here - the same one that resulted in me purchasing an Apple TV!). I wasn't happy with a "solution" that would result in degraded audio and video.

Plus, the Apple TV cost me $27 (thanks to Apple Store vouchers as a "discount" when I bought the iPad), and does heaps more than a cable ever could - eg full-quality Netflix access, let alone providing a wireless connection between the TV and iPad.

Hence me trying to solve this consequential problem of having gone down the Apple TV route!


Well... if that's the route, I (honestly) won't blink to even just have mobile data on and just operate hotspot. But that's me...




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  #1017116 2-Apr-2014 12:12
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wellygary: Does the ipad personal hotspot actually require the 3G connection to be active?, or simply enabled via the OS?,

i.e can you enable the hotspot if you eject the SIM from the Ipad. but still leave the cellular data option on?

As mentioned above , I also use the video cable option when I want to connect my ipad to a TV to display movies


Thanks for the idea - gave it a go by ensuring the hotspot was active before switching off the iPad; removed the SIM card, but upon reboot the settings menu has "cellular data" greyed out and "personal hotspot" is not even listed in the menu!

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  #1017137 2-Apr-2014 12:32
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chiefie:  Well... if that's the route, I (honestly) won't blink to even just have mobile data on and just operate hotspot. But that's me...


Fair enough! As mentioned, the data I use is a friend's, so I'm always careful to ensure that I don't abuse this.

Speaking of which - if I have roaming on the iPad turned off, does this ensure that, when out range of 2 degrees' own network (ie, where it would normally switch to Vodafone towers), it won't allow any internet access on the iPad?

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  #1017224 2-Apr-2014 14:30
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It will roam to Vodafone won't it?

It will work with your Android hotspot - just connect the ATV and your iPad to it.

I have a 3G mobile router for this purpose, and in your case, I would just remove the data stick - would work fine. It is smaller/lighter than the AppleTV, so not much of a hassle to take on holiday. I got it as a opened box item from DSE for $40.

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  #1017242 2-Apr-2014 14:48
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trig42: It will roam to Vodafone won't it?

It will work with your Android hotspot - just connect the ATV and your iPad to it.

I have a 3G mobile router for this purpose, and in your case, I would just remove the data stick - would work fine. It is smaller/lighter than the AppleTV, so not much of a hassle to take on holiday. I got it as a opened box item from DSE for $40.


If it roams to Vodafone no matter what the "data roaming" toggle is set to, what's the purpose of this setting? (I kind of assumed it would stop any roaming off the network the SIM covers.)

Are you saying you use a 3G mobile router to connect an iPad to a TV? Can you share a link to such a device and explain how this works? Apologies for the ignorance! Thanks...

[Edited for typos]

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What about using your cell phone as a wifi hot spot and connecting the iPad and Apple TV to the phone?

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  #1017278 2-Apr-2014 15:25
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jonathan18:
trig42: It will roam to Vodafone won't it?

It will work with your Android hotspot - just connect the ATV and your iPad to it.

I have a 3G mobile router for this purpose, and in your case, I would just remove the data stick - would work fine. It is smaller/lighter than the AppleTV, so not much of a hassle to take on holiday. I got it as a opened box item from DSE for $40.


If it roams to Vodafone no matter what the "data roaming" toggle is set to, what's the purpose of this setting? (I kind of assumed it would stop any roaming off the network the SIM covers.)

Are you saying you use a 3G mobile router to connect an iPad to a TV? Can you share a link to such a device and explain how this works? Apologies for the ignorance! Thanks...

[Edited for typos]


I use a 3G router to connect my iPad and my Apple TV to, that way, they are both on the same network.

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  #1017279 2-Apr-2014 15:26
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sdav: What about using your cell phone as a wifi hot spot and connecting the iPad and Apple TV to the phone?


That is the simplest, he just doesn't want any chance of the ATV (or iPad) using mobile data.

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sdav: What about using your cell phone as a wifi hot spot and connecting the iPad and Apple TV to the phone?


That is the simplest, he just doesn't want any chance of the ATV (or iPad) using mobile data.


Ahh sorry, didn't read properly...

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What about a cheap WiFi AP/old modem to be used as an access point? Something like http://pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=p&p=NETTPL0741&name=TP-Link-TL-WR741ND-150M-Lite-N-Wireless-Router-Ath would do the trick, $35 to boot.

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