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# 214336 7-May-2017 17:41
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I'm on a lookout for a smart 4K TV (55-65"). But have no idea which features work and which don't work. Would like some shout outs and rants from smart TV owners.

 

 

 

Android TV is the best is it?

 

Do TVs come with 5GHz wifi?

 

What other smart features are important?

 

We mainly watch netflix, youtube, and stream all kinds of formats from desktop to my laptop-hdmi-TV. Also have a Tivo and don't mind the recording ability.

 

Thanks.





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  # 1777264 7-May-2017 18:01
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I've got a Samsung Smart TV from a few years ago.  Got it back then because it has a Plex client.  It also has apps for the main streaming apps: Netflix, Lightbox, TVNZ, Three (maybe Neon but I'm not a subscriber).

 

I wouldn't buy a Samsung Smart TV again and here's why: Samsung are awful at only supporting hardware for 2, maybe 3 years, then just drop it.  I don't know when the TV last had an update and I know at some point the apps will stop working as the streaming sites move to new protocols and the like.  Anybodies guess when that could be.  Instead I would look to solve the "smart" functions with something I could plug in and update myself separately.  From what you list, a Chromecast would be fine (love these devices!) for your usage.

 

If I absolutely were looking for an "all in one" TV then I'd look for an Android TV myself.  However; I would be doing A LOT of research into an Android TV device I could simply plug in to a "dumb" TV. If I were worried about it being seen then one I could stick to the back of the TV!  These are going to be cheaper to replace as they are superseded by improved devices.


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  # 1777308 7-May-2017 18:50
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Agree, I also have an older Samsung TV, the 'smarts' lasted about 2 years and then I bought my first AppleTV and never looked back. I have since owned 5 Apple TV a as they are amazingly integrated into the iOS devices I use. The MIL had an android VF handset so I bought her a Chromecast, as they are even cheaper and work just as well for her own NetFlix/Lightbox/Neon uTube use. Both my ATV(s) and her Chromecast tuck behind a wall mounted TV and are easily and cheaply upgradeable in the future if needed.

She has upgraded her phone recently and loves how much faster the 'remote' now works for her TV 😂.

Buy whatever TV has the best picture and size in your budget + add the smarts = WIN!

 
 
 
 




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  # 1777310 7-May-2017 18:53
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OK first 2 posters say don't pay money for Smart features.





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  # 1777322 7-May-2017 19:08
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Just purchased a 55 4k Sony - which has Android TV as the OS.

 

http://www.sony.co.nz/local/product/kd-55x7000d

 

Really stoked with it - picture is good - specs ticked the boxes I wanted to ie HDR, HDMI 2.2 etc.

 

Happy with price/value @ $1,350. It is back up to $1,780 - but it does seem to get discounted semi regularly.

 

Has all the std streaming apps via the OS ie. Netflix, Amazon, YT, Lightbox etc.

 

Tested 4k streaming on YT and Netflix over my VDSL line (20 Mbps) and it spools up to 4k fine and stays there using approx 11 Mbps.

 

4k content over the wired network is patchy though (just like the MiBox) - whereas the Shield is sweet - so I suspect the TV is not as graphically grunty as the Shield - which is not surprising seeing the shield costs 1/4 what the TV does.

 

Have set it up and it sees my unRAID server fine over ethernet.

 

Kodi works as expected - incl addons.

 

Have also installed a USB and set this up as internal storage so I can install games etc - which have played fine as well using my Xiaomi gamepad via bluetooth.

 

 

 

Main reason I brought it is that I am a big fan of Android OS - which I have on my Shield and MiBox - and in that regard it performs very well.

 

 

 

So yeah - worth a look in my exp.

 

 

 

PS: It is in a very sunny part of the house and the screen is a bit reflective - but I think most sets would struggle as it is pretty much north facing floor to ceiling glass immediately behind the main viewing area.

 

 

 

 


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  # 1777324 7-May-2017 19:10
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We also have a "smart" Samsung from about two years ago and agree with above comments. It's a 55" and very happy with the picture quality. Ours is connected to an HTPC and Blu-ray system.

 

My suggestion would be to get a TV with good image quality and then use a device to get the smart features.

 

 


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  # 1777331 7-May-2017 19:23
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Picture 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

 

Smarts are a non-consideration for me... a small box / dongle can always be updated at a later date.

 

I would go as far as making sure the TV performs 100%, then dive into the advanced menus and turn off the smart / network functionality as some firmware updates have actually made TV's perform worse (check out the issues HDBaseT chipsets face from the likes of LG / Samsung updates).

 

 

 

An Apple TV or Chromecast Ultra (both hardwired) will make for a far better and upgradeable experience IMHO.

 

I can't remember the last time I used the smart functionality on any of my TV's...


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  # 1777336 7-May-2017 19:28
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k1w1k1d:

 

We also have a "smart" Samsung from about two years ago and agree with above comments. It's a 55" and very happy with the picture quality. Ours is connected to an HTPC and Blu-ray system.

 

My suggestion would be to get a TV with good image quality and then use a device to get the smart features.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah ditto re an older (2011) 59 inch Samsung smart TV that we have. This was chosen for picture quality and as Samsungs' flagship plasma of the time this aspect is still great.

 

However the smarts were always shi&e (and only got worse) - which is why I initially had a HTPC attached to it. This was replaced with the Shield more recently which is awesome - it is grunty and it just works.

 

My hope is with the Sony TV that as its Android TV based - is that it will continue to be updated (as it has to date) and also have a degree of longevity.

 

Time will tell.....but I could always get a 20XX shield :)

 

 


 
 
 
 


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I would love a TV manufacturers to go back to just providing great quality panels with no smart TV capabilities. As history as shown us these are typically abandoned after a few years.

 

Yes there are a few of the hospitality models like this, but they're all typically low end panels, not high end.

 

 


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  # 1777356 7-May-2017 20:13
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We've got a Sony Android TV. The Android TV interface could use a bit of work, but if you only watch relatively mainstream stuff (Netflix, DVDs, TV, couple of others) it's great. Killer feature in our house: you can watch all those things using just a single remote.

 

But like @sbiddle said, I think I'd prefer a dumb panel that did nothing but showed a great picture and deal with the rest myself.


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  # 1777379 7-May-2017 20:46
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Samsung TV and Blueray combo have an interesting 'anynet' feature which allows the TV to control (most of) the playback features of the DVD/Blueray... which allowed me to stash the Blueray in a cupboard out the way too 😉
So AFTER picture quality, another idea is to consider all your devices being 'same brand' too?

And on the 'remote ' idea Harmony remotes are worth every penny!

One remote to rule them all!




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  # 1777404 7-May-2017 20:48
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@PhantomNVD Harmony remotes are a lifesaver from a tech support point of view. Gave one to my parents and pre-programmed macros in it to switch their home theater to the correct input etc.





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  # 1777406 7-May-2017 20:51
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Look for:

 

1.  A good picture

 

2.  A decent range of inputs (at least 4 HDMI, plus composite and/or component if you have any older kit that uses them)

 

3.  At least one input being HDCP 2.2

 

4.  Optical out.

 

That's it really. The sound is pretty much guaranteed to be rubbish so you will need a receiver or soundbar anyway. Apps are pretty much always second rate with support that doesn't last - you would be better off plugging in a cheap android box, Apple TV, Raspberry Pi, NUC HTPC or suchlike for the smart stuff.


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  # 1777419 7-May-2017 21:34
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PhantomNVD: Samsung TV and Blueray combo have an interesting 'anynet' feature which allows the TV to control (most of) the playback features of the DVD/Blueray... which allowed me to stash the Blueray in a cupboard out the way too 😉
So AFTER picture quality, another idea is to consider all your devices being 'same brand' too?

And on the 'remote ' idea Harmony remotes are worth every penny!

One remote to rule them all!

 

As long as it supports HDMI-CEC, brand shouldn't matter. Our Sony TV talks quite happily to a Samsung bluray player.


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  # 1777499 8-May-2017 08:31
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mdf:

 

PhantomNVD: Samsung TV and Blueray combo have an interesting 'anynet' feature which allows the TV to control (most of) the playback features of the DVD/Blueray... which allowed me to stash the Blueray in a cupboard out the way too 😉
So AFTER picture quality, another idea is to consider all your devices being 'same brand' too?

And on the 'remote ' idea Harmony remotes are worth every penny!

One remote to rule them all!

 

As long as it supports HDMI-CEC, brand shouldn't matter. Our Sony TV talks quite happily to a Samsung bluray player.

 

 

I was just about to say the same. Turning on my Apple TV will also turn on the Samsung TV and switch to the correct input. Of course turning off the Apple TV also turns off the TV, which is not always the desired outcome!

 

 

 

Smart TV features are rubbish in my experience. Get an Apple TV, Chrome cast or other device for the smart features. If I were to buy a new TV today I'd also be looking for one that can do PIP or split screen from two HDMI inputs. My Samsung can only do PIP with 1 HDMI and one different source like the DTV tuner.


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  # 1777507 8-May-2017 08:48
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mdf:

 

PhantomNVD: Samsung TV and Blueray combo have an interesting 'anynet' feature which allows the TV to control (most of) the playback features of the DVD/Blueray... which allowed me to stash the Blueray in a cupboard out the way too 😉
So AFTER picture quality, another idea is to consider all your devices being 'same brand' too?

And on the 'remote ' idea Harmony remotes are worth every penny!

One remote to rule them all!

 

As long as it supports HDMI-CEC, brand shouldn't matter. Our Sony TV talks quite happily to a Samsung bluray player.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hahahahahahahahahaaaaaa!

 

Brand shouldn't matter...

 

But, it clearly does and on a regular basis. Some people will get lucky with HDMI CEC, many many many more will have issues.


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