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# 258516 8-Oct-2019 08:46
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I'm looking at getting a (entry-level) OLED TV, but with the HDR format wars yet to be decided and no personal experience of the real-world differences between formats, I'm unsure how much I need to care about the specific HDR formats supported by the TV I get, so would appreciate some advice.

 

I get that HDR10 support is a given, so it's more down to whether the TV supports Dolby Vision and/or 10+; my understanding is that it's currently only the latest Philips TVs that support both, and these aren't even available here yet so 10+ support is kinda moot at this time.

 

But how much emphasis should I put on whether the TV has Dolby Vision vs only HDR10?

 

As, while the LG C9 and Sony AF9 support Dolby Vision, the Panasonic FG950 doesn't. (I think this Panasonic is a 2018 model; is there a new 'entry-level' Panasonic model that does come with Dolby Vision support?) 

 

Thanks for any advice.


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  # 2332365 8-Oct-2019 08:53
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I think it's going to end up like audio formats.  I.E. A movie comes with several audio formats and you just choose the one you want based on your kit.  This will likely be easier with streaming content which can update it's formats easily enough by just replacing the file, but if you're going to be consuming UHD Blu-ray you'll probably want to pay attention to what you're getting.  


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  # 2332367 8-Oct-2019 09:03
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To be honest I can only really tell something is in Dolby Vision when my OLED reports it in a little placard on the screen. But then my eyes are many decades old.





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  # 2332369 8-Oct-2019 09:06
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Panasonic’s 2019 range of OLED TV’s support Dolby Vision, HDR10+ and HDR. I also like the Philips models, and I’m hoping that Harvey Norman will stock the full range. PB Tech also sell Philips OLED’s, but still had last years models last time that I looked.

 

My 2017 Sony Bravia LED TV is Dolby Vision capable, but my 2016 Panasonic LED is not. I have watched several DV movies and many more HDR10. Videophiles say that DV is much better, but to my eyes, there is little or no difference, so HDR10 is a must have in my book. DV not so much.

 

The Panasonic GZ1000 is the company’s mid range TV in NZ. I would prefer a Philips, simply because of their Ambilight technology. But that’s a whole different subject.




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  # 2332374 8-Oct-2019 09:30
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Thanks!

 

Yeah, about the same time as you posted I found the GZ1000 - damn Pricespy can be so slow to list product, as it's not even on there whereas Priceme has eight retailers for this model. https://www.priceme.co.nz/Panasonic-TH-65GZ1000U-65in/p-904866835.aspx

 

This Panasonic is already available under $5k, so will be within budget; I'm not a huge fan of Panasonic's really dated interface, but given it supports all these main HDR standards (whether or not they make a huge difference!) plus has a working Google Assistant interface (unlike the LGs) means it's a good option.

 

I too am interested in seeing if PB or other companies bring in the new Philips 65" OLED; I'm far from convinced about Android TV, however, and my interest in this model may depend on how well this works (noting comments re earlier models having sluggish processors).


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  # 2332383 8-Oct-2019 10:08
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it's not so much the format / apparent certification but the TV panel itself.

 

i had a TCL with HDR 10.

 

the HDR picture is worse than no HDR. yes it detects HDR 10 and applies the HDR thing but there are so many matrices to apply the HDR that only a TV that has the correct LUTs with a capable panel (IMO - only OLED or QLED) will apply them properly

 

otherwise if it's any other type of LED IMO just buy the cheapest Samsung

 

PS netflix is pretty hot on Dolby Vision so if you're into Netflix and buying an OLED/QLED consider Dolby Vision. AFAIK HDR 10 + is in its early days in terms of limited content





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Batman:

 

it's not so much the format / apparent certification but the TV panel itself.

 

i had a TCL with HDR 10.

 

the HDR picture is worse than no HDR. yes it detects HDR 10 and applies the HDR thing but there are so many matrices to apply the HDR that only a TV that has the correct LUTs with a capable panel (IMO - only OLED or QLED) will apply them properly

 

otherwise if it's any other type of LED IMO just buy the cheapest Samsung

 

PS netflix is pretty hot on Dolby Vision so if you're into Netflix and buying an OLED/QLED consider Dolby Vision. AFAIK HDR 10 + is in its early days in terms of limited content

 

 

Interesting. I've got TCL too as you know. The 4k HDR movies I watched - were exceptional qualities and 2-3 steps ahead of 1080p in terms of sharp pictures and less motions during fast scenes. in fact last one I watch, the Avengers endgame (or whatever it's called) 3 weeks ago, was perfect.

 

I either use Plex or Kodi to watch my content. Kodi with MX player (as far as I remember) on the latest v543 firmware





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Still early days for both.

 

DV has a higher uptick rate with more sources (physical and streaming) and bigger OEMs like LG and Sony jumping behind it, while HDR10+ is limited to Amazon Prime and a couple of Blu-rays and Panasonic/Samsung TVs (although more appear to be on the horizon). I imagine once better panel tech filters down to budget-midrange OEMs, HDR10+ will see a bit more uptake since its royalty free, but since Samsung has quit the physical media market, I don't see them to concerned with physical media implementations.

 

I would lean towards DV but honestly it would not decide a TV for me either way. As long as it has one or the other really, but panel quality and processing matters much more.


 
 
 
 




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  # 2332417 8-Oct-2019 10:50
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Batman:

 

it's not so much the format / apparent certification but the TV panel itself.

 

i had a TCL with HDR 10.

 

the HDR picture is worse than no HDR. yes it detects HDR 10 and applies the HDR thing but there are so many matrices to apply the HDR that only a TV that has the correct LUTs with a capable panel (IMO - only OLED or QLED) will apply them properly

 

otherwise if it's any other type of LED IMO just buy the cheapest Samsung

 

PS netflix is pretty hot on Dolby Vision so if you're into Netflix and buying an OLED/QLED consider Dolby Vision. AFAIK HDR 10 + is in its early days in terms of limited content

 

 

In my specific context, as mentioned it's only OLED TVs I'm looking at so it's really a matter of looking at the offerings around or below $5k from Panasonic, LG and Sony, none of which face particularly harsh criticisms for their panel quality (given I understand they're all from the same source that's not too much of a surprise!).

 

 


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  # 2332420 8-Oct-2019 10:51
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kobiak:

 

Batman:

 

it's not so much the format / apparent certification but the TV panel itself.

 

i had a TCL with HDR 10.

 

the HDR picture is worse than no HDR. yes it detects HDR 10 and applies the HDR thing but there are so many matrices to apply the HDR that only a TV that has the correct LUTs with a capable panel (IMO - only OLED or QLED) will apply them properly

 

otherwise if it's any other type of LED IMO just buy the cheapest Samsung

 

PS netflix is pretty hot on Dolby Vision so if you're into Netflix and buying an OLED/QLED consider Dolby Vision. AFAIK HDR 10 + is in its early days in terms of limited content

 

 

Interesting. I've got TCL too as you know. The 4k HDR movies I watched - were exceptional qualities and 2-3 steps ahead of 1080p in terms of sharp pictures and less motions during fast scenes. in fact last one I watch, the Avengers endgame (or whatever it's called) 3 weeks ago, was perfect.

 

I either use Plex or Kodi to watch my content. Kodi with MX player (as far as I remember) on the latest v543 firmware

 

 

It could well be my source and decoding (was using VLC) as you said.

 

I do have an Xbox One X and a grand total of TWO 4K Blu rays but I didn't test /compare the picture them lol. I have now upgraded to OLED.

 

Specifically the colours looked weird in HDR mode. Specifically the motions were nausea inducing.

 

The exact model of my TCL was 65NUSE17 (I think)





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ShinyChrome:

 

Still early days for both.

 

DV has a higher uptick rate with more sources (physical and streaming) and bigger OEMs like LG and Sony jumping behind it, while HDR10+ is limited to Amazon Prime and a couple of Blu-rays and Panasonic/Samsung TVs (although more appear to be on the horizon). I imagine once better panel tech filters down to budget-midrange OEMs, HDR10+ will see a bit more uptake since its royalty free, but since Samsung has quit the physical media market, I don't see them to concerned with physical media implementations.

 

I would lean towards DV but honestly it would not decide a TV for me either way. As long as it has one or the other really, but panel quality and processing matters much more.

 

 

Thanks for this sound advice; yeah, HDR format support wouldn't be a key deciding factor, but potentially one factor to consider - given the current price of OLEDs I'd be buying this TV for a few years (provided these panels last that long!), so some degree of future-proofing does need to come into the equation (once key aspects of panel quality etc are covered - but I doubt I'll be disappointed by the PQ of any of the sets I'm looking at).

 

Reading some reviews of the Panasonic GZ1000 it looks like the interface is somewhat improved; it's also not Android TV, which is enough reason for me to stay away from the Sonys no matter how good the PQ. The price of the GZ1000 is also the most reasonable of the 2019 (non-Sony) 65" OLEDs, with the degree of future-proofing with multiple HDR formats being a small bit of icing on the cake.

 

Does anyone know if Panasonic NZ has any intention to bring in the GZ950? I'd be keen on not having to pay more for a fancier stand that will sit unused in the back of a cupboard, given the TV will be wall-mounted (apparently this is the only difference between the 950 and 1000).


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  # 2332460 8-Oct-2019 11:29
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Thanks for this sound advice; yeah, HDR format support wouldn't be a key deciding factor, but potentially one factor to consider - given the current price of OLEDs I'd be buying this TV for a few years (provided these panels last that long!), so some degree of future-proofing does need to come into the equation (once key aspects of panel quality etc are covered - but I doubt I'll be disappointed by the PQ of any of the sets I'm looking at).

 

Reading some reviews of the Panasonic GZ1000 it looks like the interface is somewhat improved; it's also not Android TV, which is enough reason for me to stay away from the Sonys no matter how good the PQ. The price of the GZ1000 is also the most reasonable of the 2019 (non-Sony) 65" OLEDs, with the degree of future-proofing with multiple HDR formats being a small bit of icing on the cake.

 

Does anyone know if Panasonic NZ has any intention to bring in the GZ950? I'd be keen on not having to pay more for a fancier stand that will sit unused in the back of a cupboard, given the TV will be wall-mounted (apparently this is the only difference between the 950 and 1000).

 

 

Since you have an above average audio setup, are you using devices (Shield, ATV4K, FTV4k etc) to take advantage of that? If so, then does it matter too much on OS if you are just switching to whatever HDMI port your AVR comes in on? Obviously depends on your personal setup, but that's the way I am thinking for my next TV.

 

Also, I would expect the 65" (guessing that size based on your price-point) LG C9 to dive below $5k as we approach the end of the year. HDMI 2.1 support and a processor powerful enough to use it is a bigger selling point for me vs. HDR formats, especially if its a BIFL TV. Plus WebOS is one of the better implementations out there, although you already own an LG TV so I guess that depends on your personal mileage with it. And you get eARC as well if you are going to stick with on-board apps.


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  # 2332484 8-Oct-2019 12:07
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I recently purchased a floor stock discounted 65 inch 2018 Panasonic FZ950U as an interim panel (to fill the void of my Panasonic PT-AE7000 projector failing in the Theatre Room).

It does not come with Dolby Vision but I was pleased to find a recent firmware update that added HDR10+ support. I too am a little concerned with the rapid changes to the HDR formats and suspect that things will change in the future as the specifications battle continues.

I usually buy top of the range AV gear but in my opinion it is still 'early days' and too many of the 4K/HDR specifications are still in 'flux'.

 

This time around I have decided to purchase good a quality but lower priced OLED TV and a new Denon Receiver on the basis that it may need to be replaced with 'better gear' in the next few years.

 

I have streamed a large quantity of 4K/HDR content from both Netflix and Amazon via both the built in Panasonic NF app and via the Apple-TV 4K over the last few days.

Frankly, I can not fault the quality of the display as it is without DV support. 




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  # 2332488 8-Oct-2019 12:18
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ShinyChrome:

 

Since you have an above average audio setup, are you using devices (Shield, ATV4K, FTV4k etc) to take advantage of that? If so, then does it matter too much on OS if you are just switching to whatever HDMI port your AVR comes in on? Obviously depends on your personal setup, but that's the way I am thinking for my next TV.

 

Also, I would expect the 65" (guessing that size based on your price-point) LG C9 to dive below $5k as we approach the end of the year. HDMI 2.1 support and a processor powerful enough to use it is a bigger selling point for me vs. HDR formats, especially if its a BIFL TV. Plus WebOS is one of the better implementations out there, although you already own an LG TV so I guess that depends on your personal mileage with it. And you get eARC as well if you are going to stick with on-board apps.

 

 

Thanks for the further comments.

 

At this point it is a choice between the 65" C9 or GZ1000, and I'm certainly still open to the LG - is it the general consensus that the LG is superior in regards to PQ etc over the Panasonic?

 

Currently the primary external devices are an Amazon Fire TV 4K and 3G ATV; planning on upgrading the latter to an ATV 4K at the point of buying the new TV. TBH I now prefer the convenience of using the TV's built-in apps (if available - at this point our LG LCD has everything bar Kodi and UKTV), given I do like the WebOS interface on this (so, yeah, would be totally happy with the C9 interface).

 

How much attention should I give HDMI 2.1? I take your point re eARC and use of the TV's own apps (now having read up about it!), but are any of the other improvements offered by 2.1 significant in relation to a TV that has been designed prior to any of these benefits being available?

 

I can't find any mention re the Panasonic having HDMI 2.1, so assume it's a no on that front; if I can see 2.1 support as being a likely benefit in the future then that's certainly a tick in the pros column for the C9.


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  # 2332490 8-Oct-2019 12:22
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The LG B9/C9 seem to be the highest rated TV's on rtings.com atm https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/c9-oled

 

I'll probably have to wait for any potential boxing day sales to pull the trigger on a C9, which is on my want list at the moment.. but we have a very handsy 2 year old that loves to touch the TV so hopefully she's less so by then ^_^


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  # 2332493 8-Oct-2019 12:29
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Many of the iTunes movies are in Dolby Vision when played back on an Apple TV 4K, and I can't fault the streaming quality. I know that physical media is supposed to be better, but its not enough for me to care about.

 

I am in the process of buying a Synology NAS to stream my mkv movie files to the excellent Infuse 6 app on the Apple TV, so its not likely that I will be buying any more physical media. Its streaming for me all the way!

 

I have hundreds of Blu-ray discs that I am in the process of converting to mkv files. Its such a time consuming job, that I am concentrating on about 10% to 15% of my collection, and sticking with my favourites for the time being.


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