Which PAL plasmas display 1080p/24 100% correctly in NZ?

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slapnutz

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#70632 27-Oct-2010 23:04

Title pretty much sums it up.

Does anyone know if the follow two plasma have 1080p/24 cadance support that works correctly in NZ? Its just a bit confusing getting to read into it all especially since some websites are US and others are UK along with different model naming.

1) Samsung Series 7 3d plasma 50".

2) Panasonic V20 series plasmas. (42 & 46")

Also does the source matter as long as its (supporting) outputing 1080p/24? i.e. Bluray Player vs Media Box playing MKV files?

Thanks in advance.

elldizzle

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#396742 28-Oct-2010 11:19

All I know is you'll need HDMI 1.3 to ensure 1080p/24 is passed from your source to your display....

Jaxson

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#396771 28-Oct-2010 12:02

Yeah as I understand it the PAL/NTSC thing isn't relevant anymore, with the move to standardised HD material.

Just make sure you get one with a freeview HD tuner built in, and get one that says it will accept a 1080p and 24fps source.

Loftus

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#396775 28-Oct-2010 12:10

Did you try the manufacturers web sites?

e.g. http://www.panasonic.co.nz/viera/plasma/th-p42v20z.html

Specifically on the specifications tab, under the display category.

Good luck!

slapnutz

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#396837 28-Oct-2010 14:02

Loftus: Did you try the manufacturers web sites?

e.g. http://www.panasonic.co.nz/viera/plasma/th-p42v20z.html

Specifically on the specifications tab, under the display category.

Good luck!

Yeah I have, however I know that a lot of sets will say they can "accept" 1080/24p but few will actually display it without converting it.

Similar to the Samsung PS50C7000. It says it has something called "Cinema Smooth"....

"With Cinema Smooth, movies are reproduced with greater clarity and crispness like never before. Advanced 24px4 processing virtually eliminates motion judder and displays images as they would naturally appear. The result is a cinematic experience that’s second to none."

However when CNET US tested it, they said it wasnt working 100% correctly. Thus what manufacturers advertise and how it behaves in the real-world arent always the same.

I was just hoping that some people here actually owned one of these sets in NZ and could shed some light with their personal experience.

Rollux

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#396901 28-Oct-2010 16:12

slapnutz:
Similar to the Samsung PS50C7000. It says it has something called "Cinema Smooth"....

"With Cinema Smooth, movies are reproduced with greater clarity and crispness like never before. Advanced 24px4 processing virtually eliminates motion judder and displays images as they would naturally appear. The result is a cinematic experience that’s second to none."

However when CNET US tested it, they said it wasnt working 100% correctly. Thus what manufacturers advertise and how it behaves in the real-world arent always the same.

They have that as displaying true 24p does show motion judder, esp when panning.

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#397117 29-Oct-2010 00:27

I'm interested in the answer here too.

I have this panel, it displays "1920x1080 @ 24" when a 24p Blu-Ray is played.

From some research I've done it appears the c7000 displays it at 96hz - 24x4, which is acceptable being that 24 multiplies into 96.

As already mentioned I believe it would be quite jolty if it actually displayed at 24fps.

Some reviews I've read appear to get CinemaSmooth (24p) mixed up with Motion Judder Canceller, turning the latter to the 3rd option (smooth) can cause a halo effect around still objects in a wide panning scene (same as any other 'insert-new-frame-here' tech) however they're not directly linked as far as I know. You can have MJC off whilst still viewing a film @ 24p.

elldizzle

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#397203 29-Oct-2010 10:24

I absolutely have those. Trumotion or Motionflow smoothing effect technologies. Makes the whole video just look wrong. I especially hate it in shops when they display it like that...guhhh!!!!

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#397210 29-Oct-2010 10:34

Jaxson: Yeah as I understand it the PAL/NTSC thing isn't relevant anymore, with the move to standardised HD material.

Just make sure you get one with a freeview HD tuner built in, and get one that says it will accept a 1080p and 24fps source.

Incorrect.. and it appears a lot of Panasonic and Sony panels are actually NTSC native. Daewoo is another offender.

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#400757 5-Nov-2010 13:42

Our displays in NZ are native PAL based colour system using the 25/50hz signal.

If the material (BD or HDDVD or similar)carries the HD flags the output will use the HD colourspace, or Rec709 to be specific. However what can and does happen dispite the display displaying HD, at 24/25/50/30/60hz or multiple of is the output will be PAL colour system and converted to HD colour system at your display.
If you use ZONE1 material, it may output at NTSC, and convert to the display region and maybe do it correctly or maybe not.

If the setup of the output device is set so that it picks up the 24p flags and the display device picks up the flags, in theory the output would be 1080p24, the display will show the 1080p24 with no conversions. But 1080p24 only discribes the resolution and frame rate, not the colourspace where it has been common to find PAL and NTSC(region specific) colourspace still the defacto space used.

Some displays force extra frames on material without being able to turn it off or soften the effect, some allow you to fine tune the processing, but not how many extra frames.

The source wrapper container(mkv or whatever), if the display has the right protocols to unwrap the container, thats fine, but the source material needs to carry the trigger flags so the device can select the correct settings. IF not there, because the material may be self converted through freeware software for example, the display and output devices may do unexpected things and not process correctly.

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