Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.


Azzura

583 posts

Ultimate Geek

ID Verified

#198776 22-Jul-2016 08:34
Send private message

Hoping someone or Spark can give me advice on this?

 

I live in a rural area with only Adsl2+ as an option.

 

According to Chorus we can get VDSL----but we can't (the numbers just aren't good enough). In the past (1yr to 18 months ago) Chorus tried to get it working and couldn't connect. House is too far from the box (3.2km).

 

But just in case VDSL could be an option again? ---here are my numbers (master filter is installed at house).

 

                      Downstream Upstream
Data rate(Kbps)    9172 1021
Noise Margin            11 12
Output power(dBm) 12 19
Attenuation(dB)       33 17

 

 

 

I excitedly learned of the 4G home connection. My cell phone connects to it from the house...but so far (according to address checks provided) it is not available in my area. Also, in all honesty... the amount of data offered just isn't enough vs the unlimited plan Spark is offering us with Adsl2+ (even with the speed downside).

 

 

 

So I ask ---- Can I just get a second Adsl2+ connection to the house and use the TP-LINK TL-R470T Load Balance Broadband Router QoS to combine the two Adsl2+ connections into one larger connection?

 

 

 

Cheers

 

 

 

 


View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
 1 | 2
PeterReader
5990 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Geekzone
Lifetime subscriber

  #1596638 22-Jul-2016 08:34
Send private message

Hello... Our robot found some keywords in your post, so here is an automated reply with some important things to note regarding broadband speeds.

 

If you are posting regarding DSL speeds please check that

 

  • you have reset your modem and router 
  • your PC (or other PCs in your LAN) is not downloading large files when you are testing - you are not being throttled by your ISP due to going over the monthly cap 
  • your tests are always done on an ethernet connection to the router - do not use wireless for testing 
  • you read this topic and follow the instructions there.

Make sure you provide information for other users to help you. If you have not already done it, please EDIT your post and add this now:

 

  • Your ISP and plan 
  • Type of connection (ADSL, ADSL2, VDSL) 
  • Your modem DSL stats (do not worry about posting Speedtest, we need sync rate, attenuation and noise margin) 
  • Your general location (or street) 
  • If you are rural or urban 
  • If you know your connection is to an exchange, cabinet or conklin 
  • If your connection is to a ULL or wholesale service 
  • If you have done an isolation test as per the link above 

Most of the problems with speed are likely to be related to internal wiring issues. Read this discussion to find out more about this. Your ISP is not intentionally slowing you down today (unless you are on a managed plan). Also if this is the school holidays it's likely you will notice slower than usual speed due to more users online.

 

A master splitter is required for VDSL2 and in most cases will improve speeds on DSL connections. Regular disconnections can be a monitored alarm or a set top box trying to connect. If there's an alarm connected to your line even if you don't have an alarm contract it may still try to connect so it's worth checking.

 

I recommend you read these two blog posts:

 





I am the Geekzone Robot and I am here to help. I am from the Internet. I do not interact. Do not expect other replies from me.

 

These links are referral codes: Sharesies | Mighty Ape 


 
 
 

Backblaze Unlimited Backup. World’s easiest cloud backup. Get peace of mind knowing your files are backed up securely in the cloud (affiliate link).
Wheelbarrow01
1496 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Chorus

  #1596651 22-Jul-2016 08:41
Send private message

On your attenuation alone you'd not be able to get VDSL. While Chorus has made changes to the attenuation limit to allow more people to get VDSL, it was only raised from 10dB to 15dB. With a reading of 30+dB on your connection, that would indicate you still won't be able to have it. If that reading shows up on the prequalification we are not even allowed to raise an order for it.

 

In regards to your last paragraph - combining two ADSL streams - I have not heard of this ever being done, but somebody else on here might be able to advise on that with more authority than me.





The views expressed by me are not necessarily those of my employer Chorus NZ Ltd


Azzura

583 posts

Ultimate Geek

ID Verified

  #1596664 22-Jul-2016 09:09
Send private message

Wheelbarrow01:

 

On your attenuation alone you'd not be able to get VDSL. While Chorus has made changes to the attenuation limit to allow more people to get VDSL, it was only raised from 10dB to 15dB. With a reading of 30+dB on your connection, that would indicate you still won't be able to have it. If that reading shows up on the prequalification we are not even allowed to raise an order for it.

 

In regards to your last paragraph - combining two ADSL streams - I have not heard of this ever being done, but somebody else on here might be able to advise on that with more authority than me.

 

 

 

 

Thank you WB01...

 

 

 

This is a video of what I want to do with 2 spark adsl2+ connections--

 




wellygary
7564 posts

Uber Geek


  #1596696 22-Jul-2016 09:57
Send private message

Do you have a second copper pair going to your house?,


Azzura

583 posts

Ultimate Geek

ID Verified

  #1596732 22-Jul-2016 11:08
Send private message

wellygary:

 

Do you have a second copper pair going to your house?,

 

 

 

 

To the best of my knowledge and if I understand correctly - there is one line with 4 wires in it (?). 2 are used for internet connection and 2 for phone line?

 

House was built in 2008...

 

 

 

Other than that idk...


cbrpilot
905 posts

Ultimate Geek

Trusted
Spark NZ

  #1596780 22-Jul-2016 12:14
Send private message

I don't have time to watch the full video you posted, but so long as the magic is done in the TPLink and it doesn't expect anything like DSL bonding etc from the Spark network, then there is no reason why you could not try it.  Of course Spark could not guarantee that it will work as advertised for obvious reasons.

 

Like any DSL device in NZ it needs to be Telepermitted.

 

 





My views are my own, and may not necessarily represent those of my employer.


Sideface
8713 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
DR
Lifetime subscriber

  #1596793 22-Jul-2016 12:40
Send private message


chevrolux
4962 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user


  #1596864 22-Jul-2016 13:18
Send private message

What you want is a provider that will bond the connections at layer 2 using ML-PPP. This way you will get the benefit of both connections all the time rather than just a simple 'load balancing' thing. Load balancing over two connections comes with a bunch of annoying issues.

 

I use this at home and out of 2 adsl connections that running at 8-9Mbps I get 15-16Mbps with just under a 2Mbps upload. Its also failure tolerant, so if one of them goes down it just renegotiates and works away. By no means a cheap option though - noticeable difference when only running one though so for me its worth it.


Azzura

583 posts

Ultimate Geek

ID Verified

  #1596959 22-Jul-2016 16:12
Send private message

Sorry, I should have mentioned skip to 7:29 in the video.

 

 

 

I would certainly be willing to give it a try. I can get the D-Links out of Aussie for $92 NZD + $20 shipping.

 

Would getting a second adsl2+ cause us to lose our home phone though?

 

And

 

What is the cost to get a second adsl2+ hooked up?

 

 

 

Thanks!


cbrpilot
905 posts

Ultimate Geek

Trusted
Spark NZ

  #1596965 22-Jul-2016 16:21
Send private message

From a monthly pricing point of view getting a second ADSL would probably be not much different to the first.  In this case you'd probably want naked DSL for the second line.  The thing to be cautious about is any installation costs etc.  There would be costs for installing new jackpoints etc.

 

Best to give us a call and explore the options if you wish to go down this route.

 

Again this assumes that all the router requires is two standard DSL lines and each line will give you a different WAN IP address. 





My views are my own, and may not necessarily represent those of my employer.


hio77
'That VDSL Cat'
12999 posts

Uber Geek

ID Verified
Trusted
Voyager
Subscriber

  #1596969 22-Jul-2016 16:34
Send private message

chevrolux:

 

What you want is a provider that will bond the connections at layer 2 using ML-PPP. This way you will get the benefit of both connections all the time rather than just a simple 'load balancing' thing. Load balancing over two connections comes with a bunch of annoying issues.

 

I use this at home and out of 2 adsl connections that running at 8-9Mbps I get 15-16Mbps with just under a 2Mbps upload. Its also failure tolerant, so if one of them goes down it just renegotiates and works away. By no means a cheap option though - noticeable difference when only running one though so for me its worth it.

 

 

What provider are you with to have ML-PPP? not many out there offer it as far as i have seen.

 

 

 

@OP

 

load balancing would work, but it is not perfect. You can have issues with the ip changing as it switches connections, a single session will only be the speed of a single link too.





#include <std_disclaimer>

 

Any comments made are personal opinion and do not reflect directly on the position my current or past employers may have.

 

 


  #1596987 22-Jul-2016 17:12
Send private message

Azzura:

 

 

 

Would getting a second adsl2+ cause us to lose our home phone though?

 

 

 

 

No ADSL and your phone are delivered on a single pair


chevrolux
4962 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user


  #1596995 22-Jul-2016 17:36
Send private message

hio77:

chevrolux:


What you want is a provider that will bond the connections at layer 2 using ML-PPP. This way you will get the benefit of both connections all the time rather than just a simple 'load balancing' thing. Load balancing over two connections comes with a bunch of annoying issues.


I use this at home and out of 2 adsl connections that running at 8-9Mbps I get 15-16Mbps with just under a 2Mbps upload. Its also failure tolerant, so if one of them goes down it just renegotiates and works away. By no means a cheap option though - noticeable difference when only running one though so for me its worth it.



What provider are you with to have ML-PPP? not many out there offer it as far as i have seen.


 


@OP


load balancing would work, but it is not perfect. You can have issues with the ip changing as it switches connections, a single session will only be the speed of a single link too.



The wholesaler we use to provide our clients with offers it -will flick you a PM.

InstallerUFB
839 posts

Ultimate Geek


  #1597017 22-Jul-2016 19:38
Send private message

Azzura:

 

wellygary:

 

Do you have a second copper pair going to your house?,

 

 

 

 

To the best of my knowledge and if I understand correctly - there is one line with 4 wires in it (?). 2 are used for internet connection and 2 for phone line?

 

House was built in 2008...

 

 

 

Other than that idk...

 

 

 

 

Do you mean the service lead from the road to the house ? then it may be two pairs but only one will be active for both phone and BB the other pair may have never been connected back to the cabinet , if the house was built in 2008 (well after the two line days - one for phone and the other Fax/Dailup).


InstallerUFB
839 posts

Ultimate Geek


  #1597019 22-Jul-2016 19:45
Send private message

The other thing about dual or quad paired BB/DSL is that the copper pairs have to be balanced as well (two or four identical pairs) - especially for the longer distances from the equipment. Ok for Urban/commercial environments - not very often found in rural ones (because it doesn't normally mater for single circuit use)

 

Cost wise you will be at least doubling your line rental per month from Chorus (Via your RSP)

 

 

 

 

 

 


 1 | 2
View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic





News and reviews »

One New Zealand Extends 3G Switch-off Date
Posted 11-Apr-2024 08:56


Amazon Echo Hub Review
Posted 10-Apr-2024 18:57


Epson Launches New Versatile A4 Desktop Scanners
Posted 10-Apr-2024 15:31


Motorola Mobility Launches New Android Phones in New Zealand
Posted 10-Apr-2024 14:59


Logitech G Unveils the PRO X 60 Gaming Keyboard
Posted 9-Apr-2024 19:01


Logitech Unveils Signature Slim Keyboard and Combo
Posted 9-Apr-2024 13:33


ExpressVPN Launches Aircove Go Portable Router With Built-in VPN
Posted 26-Mar-2024 21:25


Shure MoveMic Review
Posted 25-Mar-2024 12:47


reMarkable 2 Launches at JB Hi-Fi New Zealand
Posted 20-Mar-2024 08:36


Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra review
Posted 19-Mar-2024 11:37


Google Nest Wifi Pro Review
Posted 16-Mar-2024 11:28


Samsung Galaxy A55 5G and Galaxy A35 5G
Posted 12-Mar-2024 12:41


Cricut EasyPress Mini Zen Blue launches at Spotlight New Zealand
Posted 12-Mar-2024 12:32


Logitech Introduces MX Brio Webcam
Posted 12-Mar-2024 12:24


HP Unveils Broadest Consumer Portfolio of AI-Enhanced Laptops
Posted 3-Mar-2024 18:09









Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.







GoodSync is the easiest file sync and backup for Windows and Mac