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Topic # 198776 22-Jul-2016 08:34
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Hoping someone or Spark can give me advice on this?

 

I live in a rural area with only Adsl2+ as an option.

 

According to Chorus we can get VDSL----but we can't (the numbers just aren't good enough). In the past (1yr to 18 months ago) Chorus tried to get it working and couldn't connect. House is too far from the box (3.2km).

 

But just in case VDSL could be an option again? ---here are my numbers (master filter is installed at house).

 

                      Downstream Upstream
Data rate(Kbps)    9172 1021
Noise Margin            11 12
Output power(dBm) 12 19
Attenuation(dB)       33 17

 

 

 

I excitedly learned of the 4G home connection. My cell phone connects to it from the house...but so far (according to address checks provided) it is not available in my area. Also, in all honesty... the amount of data offered just isn't enough vs the unlimited plan Spark is offering us with Adsl2+ (even with the speed downside).

 

 

 

So I ask ---- Can I just get a second Adsl2+ connection to the house and use the TP-LINK TL-R470T Load Balance Broadband Router QoS to combine the two Adsl2+ connections into one larger connection?

 

 

 

Cheers

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1596638 22-Jul-2016 08:34
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Hello... Our robot found some keywords in your post, so here is an automated reply with some important things to note regarding broadband speeds.

 

If you are posting regarding DSL speeds please check that

 

  • you have reset your modem and router 
  • your PC (or other PCs in your LAN) is not downloading large files when you are testing - you are not being throttled by your ISP due to going over the monthly cap 
  • your tests are always done on an ethernet connection to the router - do not use wireless for testing 
  • you read this topic and follow the instructions there.

Make sure you provide information for other users to help you. If you have not already done it, please EDIT your post and add this now:

 

  • Your ISP and plan 
  • Type of connection (ADSL, ADSL2, VDSL) 
  • Your modem DSL stats (do not worry about posting Speedtest, we need sync rate, attenuation and noise margin) 
  • Your general location (or street) 
  • If you are rural or urban 
  • If you know your connection is to an exchange, cabinet or conklin 
  • If your connection is to a ULL or wholesale service 
  • If you have done an isolation test as per the link above 

Most of the problems with speed are likely to be related to internal wiring issues. Read this discussion to find out more about this. Your ISP is not intentionally slowing you down today (unless you are on a managed plan). Also if this is the school holidays it's likely you will notice slower than usual speed due to more users online.

 

A master splitter is required for VDSL2 and in most cases will improve speeds on DSL connections. Regular disconnections can be a monitored alarm or a set top box trying to connect. If there's an alarm connected to your line even if you don't have an alarm contract it may still try to connect so it's worth checking.

 

I recommend you read these two blog posts:

 





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  Reply # 1596651 22-Jul-2016 08:41
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On your attenuation alone you'd not be able to get VDSL. While Chorus has made changes to the attenuation limit to allow more people to get VDSL, it was only raised from 10dB to 15dB. With a reading of 30+dB on your connection, that would indicate you still won't be able to have it. If that reading shows up on the prequalification we are not even allowed to raise an order for it.

 

In regards to your last paragraph - combining two ADSL streams - I have not heard of this ever being done, but somebody else on here might be able to advise on that with more authority than me.





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  Reply # 1596664 22-Jul-2016 09:09
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Wheelbarrow01:

 

On your attenuation alone you'd not be able to get VDSL. While Chorus has made changes to the attenuation limit to allow more people to get VDSL, it was only raised from 10dB to 15dB. With a reading of 30+dB on your connection, that would indicate you still won't be able to have it. If that reading shows up on the prequalification we are not even allowed to raise an order for it.

 

In regards to your last paragraph - combining two ADSL streams - I have not heard of this ever being done, but somebody else on here might be able to advise on that with more authority than me.

 

 

 

 

Thank you WB01...

 

 

 

This is a video of what I want to do with 2 spark adsl2+ connections--

 


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  Reply # 1596696 22-Jul-2016 09:57
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Do you have a second copper pair going to your house?,




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  Reply # 1596732 22-Jul-2016 11:08
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wellygary:

 

Do you have a second copper pair going to your house?,

 

 

 

 

To the best of my knowledge and if I understand correctly - there is one line with 4 wires in it (?). 2 are used for internet connection and 2 for phone line?

 

House was built in 2008...

 

 

 

Other than that idk...


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  Reply # 1596780 22-Jul-2016 12:14
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I don't have time to watch the full video you posted, but so long as the magic is done in the TPLink and it doesn't expect anything like DSL bonding etc from the Spark network, then there is no reason why you could not try it.  Of course Spark could not guarantee that it will work as advertised for obvious reasons.

 

Like any DSL device in NZ it needs to be Telepermitted.

 

 





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  Reply # 1596793 22-Jul-2016 12:40
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  Reply # 1596864 22-Jul-2016 13:18
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What you want is a provider that will bond the connections at layer 2 using ML-PPP. This way you will get the benefit of both connections all the time rather than just a simple 'load balancing' thing. Load balancing over two connections comes with a bunch of annoying issues.

 

I use this at home and out of 2 adsl connections that running at 8-9Mbps I get 15-16Mbps with just under a 2Mbps upload. Its also failure tolerant, so if one of them goes down it just renegotiates and works away. By no means a cheap option though - noticeable difference when only running one though so for me its worth it.




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  Reply # 1596959 22-Jul-2016 16:12
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Sorry, I should have mentioned skip to 7:29 in the video.

 

 

 

I would certainly be willing to give it a try. I can get the D-Links out of Aussie for $92 NZD + $20 shipping.

 

Would getting a second adsl2+ cause us to lose our home phone though?

 

And

 

What is the cost to get a second adsl2+ hooked up?

 

 

 

Thanks!


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  Reply # 1596965 22-Jul-2016 16:21
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From a monthly pricing point of view getting a second ADSL would probably be not much different to the first.  In this case you'd probably want naked DSL for the second line.  The thing to be cautious about is any installation costs etc.  There would be costs for installing new jackpoints etc.

 

Best to give us a call and explore the options if you wish to go down this route.

 

Again this assumes that all the router requires is two standard DSL lines and each line will give you a different WAN IP address. 





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  Reply # 1596969 22-Jul-2016 16:34
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chevrolux:

 

What you want is a provider that will bond the connections at layer 2 using ML-PPP. This way you will get the benefit of both connections all the time rather than just a simple 'load balancing' thing. Load balancing over two connections comes with a bunch of annoying issues.

 

I use this at home and out of 2 adsl connections that running at 8-9Mbps I get 15-16Mbps with just under a 2Mbps upload. Its also failure tolerant, so if one of them goes down it just renegotiates and works away. By no means a cheap option though - noticeable difference when only running one though so for me its worth it.

 

 

What provider are you with to have ML-PPP? not many out there offer it as far as i have seen.

 

 

 

@OP

 

load balancing would work, but it is not perfect. You can have issues with the ip changing as it switches connections, a single session will only be the speed of a single link too.





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  Reply # 1596987 22-Jul-2016 17:12
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Azzura:

 

 

 

Would getting a second adsl2+ cause us to lose our home phone though?

 

 

 

 

No ADSL and your phone are delivered on a single pair


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  Reply # 1596995 22-Jul-2016 17:36
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hio77:

chevrolux:


What you want is a provider that will bond the connections at layer 2 using ML-PPP. This way you will get the benefit of both connections all the time rather than just a simple 'load balancing' thing. Load balancing over two connections comes with a bunch of annoying issues.


I use this at home and out of 2 adsl connections that running at 8-9Mbps I get 15-16Mbps with just under a 2Mbps upload. Its also failure tolerant, so if one of them goes down it just renegotiates and works away. By no means a cheap option though - noticeable difference when only running one though so for me its worth it.



What provider are you with to have ML-PPP? not many out there offer it as far as i have seen.


 


@OP


load balancing would work, but it is not perfect. You can have issues with the ip changing as it switches connections, a single session will only be the speed of a single link too.



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  Reply # 1597017 22-Jul-2016 19:38
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Azzura:

 

wellygary:

 

Do you have a second copper pair going to your house?,

 

 

 

 

To the best of my knowledge and if I understand correctly - there is one line with 4 wires in it (?). 2 are used for internet connection and 2 for phone line?

 

House was built in 2008...

 

 

 

Other than that idk...

 

 

 

 

Do you mean the service lead from the road to the house ? then it may be two pairs but only one will be active for both phone and BB the other pair may have never been connected back to the cabinet , if the house was built in 2008 (well after the two line days - one for phone and the other Fax/Dailup).


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  Reply # 1597019 22-Jul-2016 19:45
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The other thing about dual or quad paired BB/DSL is that the copper pairs have to be balanced as well (two or four identical pairs) - especially for the longer distances from the equipment. Ok for Urban/commercial environments - not very often found in rural ones (because it doesn't normally mater for single circuit use)

 

Cost wise you will be at least doubling your line rental per month from Chorus (Via your RSP)

 

 

 

 

 

 


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