Arcadyan VRV9517 Bridged PPPoE ADSL? Is it possible

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#289233 21-Aug-2021 14:05

Im tring to configure a Arcadyan VRV9517 with OPNSense and I need to bridge my PPPoE connection.

I did read somewhere a while ago that bridged mode was only supported by VDSL and FIBRE connections and not ADSL. Can anyone confirm this?

I managed to put the router in a bridged mode for my existing ADSL PPPoE connection but was unable to get OPNSense to connect.

Any information on these bloody "not so smart routers" would be great.

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#2764328 21-Aug-2021 14:14

By default ADSL doesn't use PPPoE to authenticate, it uses PPPoA.

You either need a modem that supports PPPoE to PPPoA conversion / bridging such as a Draytek DV130 or you need to contact your RSP to see if they support native ADSL PPPoE which will be delivered to you on 0/110 rather than 0/100 and requires VLAN tagging. The connection is also delivered to them on a different CVID.

You will find very few mainstream providers support this because it's not worth the hassle.

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#2764344 21-Aug-2021 14:26

I definitely know my router was using PPPoE for the VDSL connection when not in bridged mode.

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#2764349 21-Aug-2021 14:32

VDSL and ADSL are not one and the same.

VDSL is native PPPoE using VPI/VCI 0/110 and VLAN10 tagging. ADSL is 0/100 with no VLAN and natively uses PPPoA which is converted at the ISAM to PPPoE to hand to the RSP.

Your two options are listed above - and by far the easiest is to just buy a Draytek.

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#2764364 21-Aug-2021 14:58

But also what are you wanting to achieve by adding OPNSense? If you're just planning on routing internet then why do you need it in the first place? Sometimes the simplest solutions are the best. The Spark Smart Modem is great for your average home user who wants to just achieve great stable internet...

Other routers widely available that'll do a PPPoE bridge is the Huawei HG659 or the Netcomm NF4V.

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#2764554 21-Aug-2021 21:15

michaelmurfy:

But also what are you wanting to achieve by adding OPNSense? If you're just planning on routing internet then why do you need it in the first place? Sometimes the simplest solutions are the best. The Spark Smart Modem is great for your average home user who wants to just achieve great stable internet...

Other routers widely available that'll do a PPPoE bridge is the Huawei HG659 or the Netcomm NF4V.

haha great question. Im rural, and at the moment im getting 400kbps down and like 200 up on my lame ass DSL. So I needed to do some more testing to find out if this was in fact a line speed issue or a network bottleneck somewhere and as it turns out, it is in face just a line speed issue! Im rural and the best I can get is ADSL. However, ive just plugged my S10 into my NUC running OPNSense and chucked it on USB tethering and im getting 10MB now, so i think that the route ill go down.

Bloody copper DSL, come on man were in 2021 ffs.

Even all the ISPs down even offer Wireless Broadband out here because were in between the covereage are and they send us to "Farmside" which is a rural broadband company that just backbones off vodafones network. They say they don't cover this area as the reception is poor but I get perfect 4G on my phone.

Now I need to figure out how I can get a 4G broadband plan without giving my address haha.

Oh the joys! Keep me busy during lockdown I guess.

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#2764590 21-Aug-2021 23:05

deanfourie:

Bloody copper DSL, come on man were in 2021 ffs.

You're right - https://starlink.com - also sounds like you're very rural if you're only getting that speeds. You're better off going back to ADSL.

Even all the ISPs down even offer Wireless Broadband out here because were in between the covereage are and they send us to "Farmside" which is a rural broadband company that just backbones off vodafones network. They say they don't cover this area as the reception is poor but I get perfect 4G on my phone.

Now I need to figure out how I can get a 4G broadband plan without giving my address haha.

That isn't how it works. Fixed RBI is just that - fixed and normally locked to a specific location. There has to be planning around the cell sites also so often they only accommodate a set amount of customers. There is also this: https://www.2degrees.nz/broadband/rural-broadband/ (2degrees now have the same footprint as Vodafone in many places).

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#2764595 21-Aug-2021 23:26

michaelmurfy:

You're right - https://starlink.com - also sounds like you're very rural if you're only getting that speeds. You're better off going back to ADSL.

Even all the ISPs down even offer Wireless Broadband out here because were in between the covereage are and they send us to "Farmside" which is a rural broadband company that just backbones off vodafones network. They say they don't cover this area as the reception is poor but I get perfect 4G on my phone.

Now I need to figure out how I can get a 4G broadband plan without giving my address haha.

That isn't how it works. Fixed RBI is just that - fixed and normally locked to a specific location. There has to be planning around the cell sites also so often they only accommodate a set amount of customers. There is also this: https://www.2degrees.nz/broadband/rural-broadband/ (2degrees now have the same footprint as Vodafone in many places).

But 4G isnt fixed right? I mean I could still take it anywhere?

If that doesnt work, why not go for a 4G mobile plan, chuck the sim in my router and away we go. Or even failing that, go for a 4G plan, throw the sim in a phone and USB tether to my OPNSense router.

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#2764597 21-Aug-2021 23:32

deanfourie:

But 4G isnt fixed right? I mean I could still take it anywhere?

Yes, mobile plans are like this. Fixed mobile broadband is not - the reason you've been denied this in the past is likely due to the local cell tower not having enough capacity or having too many users on it. Fixed mobile broadband is fixed to a cell as I've stated above. It isn't mobile, providers will disconnect you if they notice that the mobile broadband kit isn't being used in the location you signed up in.

If that doesnt work, why not go for a 4G mobile plan, chuck the sim in my router and away we go. Or even failing that, go for a 4G plan, throw the sim in a phone and USB tether to my OPNSense router.

If you want to have a low cap then sure - go ahead. But as you say this is 2021 so why not just go with Starlink?

Anyway, this is off-topic but if you want to discuss broadband options then open up another thread. Your original question was answered here.

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#2764598 21-Aug-2021 23:36

michaelmurfy:

But 4G isnt fixed right? I mean I could still take it anywhere?

Yes, mobile plans are like this. Fixed mobile broadband is not - the reason you've been denied this in the past is likely due to the local cell tower not having enough capacity or having too many users on it. Fixed mobile broadband is fixed to a cell as I've stated above. It isn't mobile, providers will disconnect you if they notice that the mobile broadband kit isn't being used in the location you signed up in.

If that doesnt work, why not go for a 4G mobile plan, chuck the sim in my router and away we go. Or even failing that, go for a 4G plan, throw the sim in a phone and USB tether to my OPNSense router.

If you want to have a low cap then sure - go ahead. But as you say this is 2021 so why not just go with Starlink?

Anyway, this is off-topic but if you want to discuss broadband options then open up another thread. Your original question was answered here.

No worries, thanks anyway :)

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#2764603 22-Aug-2021 00:02

Look into starlink. They are starting to ship out to nz now. Its not as cheap as fibre... but once you paid the up-front cost its a pretty good option for a lot of people out there.

If you are stuck with ADSL. you can get routers/dslmodems like the Draytek DV120 or DV130 (130 supports vdsl too) which will allow you to bridge a PPPoA session through to a router and have the DV120 or DV130 in bridge mode (no routing).

I have a DV130 lying around somewhere..

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#2764625 22-Aug-2021 06:30

I’ve got a Draytek 130 too if @darylblake can’t find his and if you want one.

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#2764626 22-Aug-2021 06:57

If Fixed RBI isn't going to work for you, you could also look into a WISP in your area - https://www.wispa.nz/wispa-nz-members/

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#2764908 22-Aug-2021 16:24

Spark does unofficially support PPPoE over ADSL on VPI/VCI 0.110

Feel free to give that a try.

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#2764912 22-Aug-2021 16:37

cbrpilot:

Spark does unofficially support PPPoE over ADSL on VPI/VCI 0.110

Feel free to give that a try.

It's been ages since I've set up a connection this way but from memory 0/110 bridged Ethernet is VLAN10 isn't it? I mentioned that above, but just realised now I'm not 100% sure if that is correct.

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#2764913 22-Aug-2021 16:41

Would be keen to have the details of that setup.

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