Will Telecom SIM lock their new Wcdma handsets ?

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#31872 2-Apr-2009 14:23

Hi all,

Has anyone heard whether Telecom intend to SIM lock their new Wcdma handsets, or will it be possible to put a Vodafone SIM card in one to access Vodafone's network ?

Also, knowing that Telecom do not intend to make Wcdma available to TelstraClear customers for a while, is there anything preventing a TelstraClear customer from taking the SIM card from their WorldMode handset and using this in a Wcdma device to access the new network ?

Any ideas ?

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#204903 2-Apr-2009 14:34

I heard they do not intend to lock their devices. Note that most (current) handsets are WCDMA 850/1800/2100MHz or 900/1800/2100MHz so until we have quad-band WCDMA devices you wouldn't be able to move SIM cards and connect to the new Vodafone network (900MHz).

The SIM card in the worldmode phones are for roaming only and don't work in New Zealand.

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#204904 2-Apr-2009 14:37

I can help.

1. Telecom have no plans to SIM lock phones they sell. SIM Lock means that only a particvular carriers SIM card will work in a handset. Telecom will not be doing this.
2. As long as the Vodafone handset has WCDMA850 is will work on the Telecom WCDMA network with a Telecom SIM. The user will need to change some handset settings to enable the various data services. Some media services may not be available due to handset limitations.
3. WorldMode SIM will not be able to access the Telecom WCDMA network.
4. WorldMode devices are not compatible with the Telecom WCDMA 850 network, this is a device limitaiton.
5. TelstraClear customers are still able to port their number to Telecom, becomes a Telecom customer and have access to the Telecom WCDMA network.

Hope this helps.
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#204930 2-Apr-2009 16:37

Thanks for your responses .....

Paul, I'm still a little confused though, as it appears that part 3 and part 4 pf your reply contradict eachother :

2. As long as the Vodafone handset has WCDMA850 is will work on the Telecom WCDMA network with a Telecom SIM. The user will need to change some handset settings to enable the various data services. Some media services may not be available due to handset limitations.

(so a Vodafone handset can access Telecom's WCDMA network with a Telecom SIM ?)

3. WorldMode SIM will not be able to access the Telecom WCDMA network.

(Is a Telecom SIM different then to a Telecom Worldmode SIM ?)

Thanks again.

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#204937 2-Apr-2009 16:57

i belive 'worldmode' sims were created for roaming on international GSM networks, and they will not work on any netowork in NZ.

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so a Vodafone handset can access Telecom's WCDMA network with a Telecom SIM ?
Yes provided the handset is WCDMA850 compliant.

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#204941 2-Apr-2009 17:23

Sorry if I was unclear.

Yes a Vodafone handset can access Telecom's WCDMA network with a Telecom SIM IF the handset had WCDMA850 as part of it's specification.

Yes, the WorldMode SIM's and the new Telecom SIMS are different.

Yes, WorldMode SIMs will NOT be able to work on the Telecom WCDMA 850 network.

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#204944 2-Apr-2009 17:34

KiwiClogs:

Paul, I'm still a little confused though, as it appears that part 3 and part 4 pf your reply contradict

That would be Neal...

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#204969 2-Apr-2009 18:53

freitasm:
KiwiClogs:

Paul, I'm still a little confused though, as it appears that part 3 and part 4 pf your reply contradict

That would be Neal...

If you look closely you'll see that the question numbers changed mid-post too. I think someone's had a rough day! :)

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#204977 2-Apr-2009 19:21

i dunno if im wrong but ive heard that telecom will also be running 2100MHz EGSM with the WCDMA 850MHz?

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#204979 2-Apr-2009 19:23

ashnizzle: i dunno if im wrong but ive heard that telecom will also be running 2100MHz EGSM with the WCDMA 850MHz?

Telecom have **NO** GSM network.

It's nationwide 850 UMTS with 2100 UMTS infill in some cities.

There is also no such thing as 2100 GSM, GSM is only used in the 850, 900, 1800 and 1900 bands. There was a 450 GSM standard with a few handsets but nothing really happened with it.

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#204982 2-Apr-2009 19:40

FYI ashnizzle

"But expansion costs for its WCDMA network - including a $33 million loss from the company dropping GSM technology adopted just 15 months ago"

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10537731

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#204983 2-Apr-2009 19:46

ashnizzle: i dunno if im wrong but ive heard that telecom will also be running 2100MHz EGSM with the WCDMA 850MHz?

As sbiddle says. More to the point, Telecom deployed some 2100 MHz WCDMA sites, and is keeping those in the main centres but the main network is all 850 MHz WCDMA.

Again, there's is no Telecom GSM network.

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#205007 2-Apr-2009 21:57

freitasm: Note that most (current) handsets are WCDMA 850/1800/2100MHz or 900/1800/2100MHz so until we have quad-band WCDMA devices you wouldn't be able to move SIM cards and connect to the new Vodafone network (900MHz).

I think you mean UMTS/WCDMA 1900 and not 1800?

So devices would be either UMTS/WCDMA 850,1900,2100 OR 900,1900,2100.

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#205009 2-Apr-2009 22:02

WCDMA 1800 guess it could happen has not yet

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#205010 2-Apr-2009 22:03

nzbnw:

freitasm: Note that most (current) handsets are WCDMA 850/1800/2100MHz or 900/1800/2100MHz so until we have quad-band WCDMA devices you wouldn't be able to move SIM cards and connect to the new Vodafone network (900MHz).

I think you mean UMTS/WCDMA 1900 and not 1800?

So devices would be either UMTS/WCDMA 850,1900,2100 OR 900,1900,2100.

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#205062 3-Apr-2009 08:28

freitasm:
ashnizzle: i dunno if im wrong but ive heard that telecom will also be running 2100MHz EGSM with the WCDMA 850MHz?

As sbiddle says. More to the point, Telecom deployed some 2100 MHz WCDMA sites, and is keeping those in the main centres but the main network is all 850 MHz WCDMA.

Again, there's is no Telecom GSM network.

I guess that's whey these world fone like the Samsung W531 will not work here with a new TCNZ SIM card??

Regards,

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