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Topic # 59943 15-Apr-2010 12:54
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http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/04/1gbps-symmetric-fiber-us26-in-hong-kong.ars



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  Reply # 318770 15-Apr-2010 12:58
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You mean "Eat Your Heart Out New Zealand" and the US and Australia and pretty much every country that doesnt have the teledensity that Hong Kong has.


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  Reply # 318772 15-Apr-2010 13:04
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hong kong population density:
6,348.6 people per square km

that means for every square km where they lay fibre, their potnetial customer base is around 6350 to spread their cost over.


New Zealand population desnity:
(wait for it....)
15.9 people per square km

that means for every square km where you lay fibre in Nz, you have, oin average, around 16 potential customers to spread your costs over.

anything else?


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  Reply # 318781 15-Apr-2010 13:20
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I don't understand why this is in the Telecom forum, are you trolling? If so, good luck.




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  Reply # 318782 15-Apr-2010 13:21
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Where is that report troll button?

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  Reply # 318785 15-Apr-2010 13:29
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Only if said heart can be gained by an Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom style action




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  Reply # 318791 15-Apr-2010 13:43
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NonprayingMantis: hong kong population density:
6,348.6 people per square km




Christchurch population density: about 2,300 per square kilometre.  Just sayin'. 

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  Reply # 318811 15-Apr-2010 14:27
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NonprayingMantis: hong kong population density:
6,348.6 people per square km

that means for every square km where they lay fibre, their potnetial customer base is around 6350 to spread their cost over.


New Zealand population desnity:
(wait for it....)
15.9 people per square km

that means for every square km where you lay fibre in Nz, you have, oin average, around 16 potential customers to spread your costs over.

anything else?



That's true but Hong Kong is all city. It would obviously only be feasible to do something like this in a CBD in NZ. Auckland has suburbs where the density > 4000 p/km2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AucklandRegionPopulationDensity.png

Not that that means it could/would happen, but just sayin

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  Reply # 318813 15-Apr-2010 14:29

NonprayingMantis: hong kong population density:
6,348.6 people per square km

that means for every square km where they lay fibre, their potnetial customer base is around 6350 to spread their cost over.


New Zealand population desnity:
(wait for it....)
15.9 people per square km

that means for every square km where you lay fibre in Nz, you have, oin average, around 16 potential customers to spread your costs over.

anything else?




Some people do not get it and fortunately NonprayingMantis does! 
NZ need's 2-4x the population to even consider something like this. 

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  Reply # 318820 15-Apr-2010 14:38
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SteveON:

Some people do not get it and fortunately NonprayingMantis does! 
NZ need's 2-4x the population to even consider something like this. 


Better start working on that...!




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  Reply # 318825 15-Apr-2010 14:43
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timestyles:
NonprayingMantis: hong kong population density:
6,348.6 people per square km




Christchurch population density: about 2,300 per square kilometre.  Just sayin'. 


that is still only around 35% of the HK density. 


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  Reply # 318827 15-Apr-2010 14:45
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munchkin: Better start working on that...!

Won't work for you or me bud, regardless how much we try!!!! *lol*




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  Reply # 318833 15-Apr-2010 14:48
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Asmodeus:
NonprayingMantis: hong kong population density:
6,348.6 people per square km

that means for every square km where they lay fibre, their potnetial customer base is around 6350 to spread their cost over.


New Zealand population desnity:
(wait for it....)
15.9 people per square km

that means for every square km where you lay fibre in Nz, you have, oin average, around 16 potential customers to spread your costs over.

anything else?



That's true but Hong Kong is all city. It would obviously only be feasible to do something like this in a CBD in NZ. Auckland has suburbs where the density > 4000 p/km2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AucklandRegionPopulationDensity.png

Not that that means it could/would happen, but just sayin



You not only need density, but also scale of density.

 

HK has, something like 7m people ALL in a density of 6300 per sqkm.

 

If you just took the Auckland suburbs with density >4000  (which is still a lot less than 6300 by the way) you would be lucky to get 500,000 people.

once again,  the HK provider can lay fibre and spread it's fixed cost over a hell of a lto mroe customers than an NZ provider ever could.


This would mean that they would have to charge a lot more for fibre access than a consumer coudl afford. Only large businesses woudl be able to get it.

Whaddya know,  fibre does already exist in Auckland CBD, and it is so expensive that only large businesses can afford it.

How surprising!

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  Reply # 318834 15-Apr-2010 14:52
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before someone else brings this up...

In terms of content, don't forget that the Anglophonic world accesses most of their content from the USA, for countries in Asia, the content is usually from internal sources.

This increases the speed at which content can be accessed and reduces the cost of providing it.




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  Reply # 319025 15-Apr-2010 19:50

Personally I see wireless as the future.

I know we need a good Fiber backbone to run the wireless. But why are they spending billions on fiber to the node/kerb when the final leap could be achieved via wireless technology? Wireless could cut down on costs AND give the more rewarding benefit of mobility.

4G is on the way, maybe the government could have spent more time pushing freeview and shutting down the old TV systems to provide 4G wireless service. I know 4G has it's lmitations, some say 4-5mb and some say 40-50mb but still thats better than most ADSL connections we have in NZ!

I would rather be mobile with 10mb than stuck at home with 100mb. 

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  Reply # 319027 15-Apr-2010 19:53
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Wireless will never replace fibre.

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