One NZ to retire HFC (cable) network

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#3443161 12-Dec-2025 18:52

>It will create problems for the network. Arrange to have it properly disconnected.<

But if disconnected from Technicolor modem, what's the difference simply shortening the cable length?

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#3443162 12-Dec-2025 18:55

Rickles:

>It will create problems for the network. Arrange to have it properly disconnected.<

But if disconnected from Technicolor modem, what's the difference simply shortening the cable length?

It's terminated properly when it goes in the property walls.

You cutting it and/or ripping it out is a problem. It's like a chain link fence. You break it and suddenly it's weaker.

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#3443217 12-Dec-2025 19:36

Hi Maxine .... so taking it back to the small junction box on the house is OK until someone says otherwise?

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#3443218 12-Dec-2025 19:37

Don't touch it.

Get it professionally removed by Downer. Send a DM to NickR1.

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#3443219 12-Dec-2025 19:40

OK ... I'm not getting rid of HFC until next year so plenty of time

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#3443460 13-Dec-2025 08:53

Rickles:
>It will create problems for the network. Arrange to have it properly disconnected.<

But if disconnected from Technicolor modem, what's the difference simply shortening the cable length?

A few years ago a Chorus Cowboy disconnected a neighbour's cable, wound the end run into a coil, and attached it to the street pole. About six weeks later our Internet stopped working reliably and we had to ask Vodafone to send a Downers Dude to come and tidy up the cable end. (That fixed our Internet.) Analogue technology is only predictable to a point - in the end Black Magic takes over.

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#3443461 13-Dec-2025 09:05

OK all ... something learnt thanks to GZ.

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#3443623 13-Dec-2025 13:08

My install and removal was done in stages:

Get fibre installed
Sign up to new plan, order Deco devices, and disconnect from HFC
Remove overhead cable.

Unsure if you can have fibre installed and HFC disconnected on the same tech visit. I called customer service to have the overhead cable removed, and a week later a Downer technician showed up. One fewer cable coming in to the house now.

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#3443624 13-Dec-2025 13:25

Pretty sure the Chorus techs can't touch the cable network, that would need to be done separately.

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#3444527 16-Dec-2025 12:07

quickymart:

On the flip side, if Vodafone closes the network, it faces huge decommissioning costs that will run to tens of millions, if not higher. It makes business sense to keep the HFC network running for as long as it continues to break even and kick the decommissioning can down the road.

(Bolding mine). I know I knocked him in that other thread, but in this case he was right on the money and in fact ahead of the game too.

I can be :) There's legal requirement for Vodafone (now One NZ) to clear up the HFC network. The cost of this is likely to remain higher than the cost of keeping it running even when customer numbers fall. At some point Infratil will want One to clean up its books.

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#3444564 16-Dec-2025 14:14

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I can be :) There's legal requirement for Vodafone (now One NZ) to clear up the HFC network. The cost of this is likely to remain higher than the cost of keeping it running even when customer numbers fall. At some point Infratil will want One to clean up its books.

Citation needed.

Standard practice is that old infrastructure to stay in place until someone comes along and removes it because it's in the way of something.

Look at Woosh Wireless -- I still see their towers around. Telecom still has their old cable network equipment out in East Auckland. Etc.

Will be years if not decades before the last bit of the HFC network is removed.

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#3444569 16-Dec-2025 14:23

>Will be years if not decades before the last bit of the HFC network is removed.<

I am constantly surprised how many projects get approved without 'removal & clean-up' Clauses in them.

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#3444572 16-Dec-2025 14:29

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Look at Woosh Wireless -- I still see their towers around. Telecom still has their old cable network equipment out in East Auckland. Etc.

Interesting, I thought they were either all taken down or sold off to Spark etc to use for their mobile networks?

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#3444574 16-Dec-2025 14:30

Rickles:

>Will be years if not decades before the last bit of the HFC network is removed.<

I am constantly surprised how many projects get approved without 'removal & clean-up' Clauses in them.

They would just spin it off to a different company that would then go broke in anycase. Without them having to pay a bond for removal of it like many commercial leases do for signage there is no real penalty.

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#3444586 16-Dec-2025 15:13

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Rickles:

>Will be years if not decades before the last bit of the HFC network is removed.<

I am constantly surprised how many projects get approved without 'removal & clean-up' Clauses in them.

They would just spin it off to a different company that would then go broke in anycase. Without them having to pay a bond for removal of it like many commercial leases do for signage there is no real penalty.

Generally this is the sort of thing that requires a parent company guarantee. When a local organisation or an SPV does a project you require guarantees to be backed by the ultimate parent organisation.

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