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Topic # 110813 17-Oct-2012 00:41
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Has anyone tried the vodafone sure signal box / femtocells on another ISP?

I see the website says you need a vodafone DSL connection but i have a number of rural subscribers on our microwave radio broadband network who would love to get cellphone coverage at their homes, and dont care if its metered (even though we would unmeter it)

I realise vodafone would like you to have a dsl connection with them for
 - keeping their marketing department happy
 - Qos
 - Unmetering femtocell backhaul data
 - etc

But i am really keen to find out if they have it firewalled off from the general internet.

Am almost thinking i should get a VF dsl connection into our office and nat the femtocell data across it as if an end user doesnt mind their ISP's policy, vf should be allowing people to use the sure signal boxes.

The reason i see this is because
 - Heaps of small isp's serve rural areas where RBI wont provide coverage
 - The end user doesnt mind if the cell calls and data is metered through their isp
 - It provides a great way for vf to expand coverage into rural homes without cost
 - It would encourage telecom's rural customers to switch to vf if they are on fringe coverage.

sorry my simple question got a bit long. It was "has anyone tried using one of these boxes via another isp?"




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  Reply # 702266 17-Oct-2012 00:45
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They won't work through an ISP other than Vodafone.




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  Reply # 702282 17-Oct-2012 06:16
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As above

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 702311 17-Oct-2012 08:35
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I can confirm I have tried, and they do not work. This request does come up every so often, so I'll add my "yes I'd love to see this happen" again.
I'm sure Vodafone have looked into this, but currently have still decided no.
I hope they will continue to look at this, as there is definitely a lot of demand for this service in many rural areas that Vodafone DSL does not and will not serve.




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  Reply # 702317 17-Oct-2012 08:44
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There are other things to consider. If you use this on Vodafone then the traffic is zero rated.

Now suppose these weren't locked. You get a "smart" customer that plugs this to their ISP, with a crappy 20 GB account.

The Sure Signal is a full cell site - voice, SMS and data. And no limits on who can connect to it. If you live somewhere with a few Vodafone customers around you then notice your broadband CAP going very fast - because your neighbour's new iPhone 5 has just latched into your Sure Signal.

To your neighbour there's no indication it's a Sure Signal. The only thing visible is that now there's a strong Vodafone signal around where there was none before. And he's not afraid of using his mobile data all the time since he's got a 3GB plan.

And guess who is paying for his 3GB usage over your broadband connection?

I know there's limits in coverage, but still can happen if you live close to the next property...








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  Reply # 702457 17-Oct-2012 13:01
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freitasm:

To your neighbour there's no indication it's a Sure Signal. The only thing visible is that now there's a strong Vodafone signal around where there was none before. And he's not afraid of using his mobile data all the time since he's got a 3GB plan.

And guess who is paying for his 3GB usage over your broadband connection?


Now that is a very good point
I know the specs say they provide cell coverage in a 20m radius, but i also know that a wifi network in a rural area can go a really long distance in the right conditions with no radio noise. 

Does anyone know if the vodafone stores sell the units, and are they plug and play or do they need registering? 




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  Reply # 702459 17-Oct-2012 13:04
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Plug and play

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  Reply # 702480 17-Oct-2012 13:14
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I did test using a VSS via a VPN and it worked, albeit it took ages to auth as the latency kept on changing.




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  Reply # 702622 17-Oct-2012 18:56
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An "Open SureSignal" option where:
- Customer has to opt in, and agrees to quality not assured, excess data usage etc
- SureSignal has some customer configuralbe options - i.e. lock to IMEI etc
- Static IP may be required
- Will work on any broadband connection
- etc





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Ask for a Femto solution over satellite (Farmside/Vodafone) Service !!!



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  Reply # 708425 29-Oct-2012 14:21
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Why aren't the other mobile players offering femtocells? It's a huge drawcard for those of us with troublesome coverage.

I'm basically now stuck with one provider for home broadband because of it...

real question - keen to know if anyone can shed light on this. I know VFNZ uses some of its spectrum specifically for femto cells - is that the barrier for the others?

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  Reply # 708448 29-Oct-2012 14:51
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There is no incentive for Vodafone to open this up, even if you accept all the risks.

Vodafone is home to the 24 month contract.

Good chance you are locked into one of those for your mobile, and with them being the only femto option in NZ - they know you will have no choice but to sign a 24 month broadband contract with them too.




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  Reply # 708550 29-Oct-2012 16:54
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ajobbins: There is no incentive for Vodafone to open this up, even if you accept all the risks.

Vodafone is home to the 24 month contract.

Good chance you are locked into one of those for your mobile, and with them being the only femto option in NZ - they know you will have no choice but to sign a 24 month broadband contract with them too.


Except what i would like is for approved partners to have access to them.

Vodafone cannot serve broadband in 99% of our coverage area - no other ISP does. And with our pricing, RBI is too expensive by comparison.
However they could gain some customers if i had the ability to run the femtocells through my network. Some telecom users would be interested in switching.




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freitasm: There are other things to consider. If you use this on Vodafone then the traffic is zero rated.

Now suppose these weren't locked. You get a "smart" customer that plugs this to their ISP, with a crappy 20 GB account.

The Sure Signal is a full cell site - voice, SMS and data. And no limits on who can connect to it. If you live somewhere with a few Vodafone customers around you then notice your broadband CAP going very fast - because your neighbour's new iPhone 5 has just latched into your Sure Signal.

To your neighbour there's no indication it's a Sure Signal. The only thing visible is that now there's a strong Vodafone signal around where there was none before. And he's not afraid of using his mobile data all the time since he's got a 3GB plan.

And guess who is paying for his 3GB usage over your broadband connection?

I know there's limits in coverage, but still can happen if you live close to the next property...




Again, in this circumstance I'm happy to pay for the extra data, just not to switch to Vodafone ADSL.

We're moving in less than a week to an area I know has terrible reception (St Mary's Bay, Auckland) with 2x iPhone 5 users and 1x iPhone 4. It's not a huge deal as most of my messaging is over WiFi now, but last time I lived in the area delayed texts and awful voice were common.

Also when an iOS device is connected to a sure signal, it (should) display "VFNZ Sure" rather than "Voda NZ" - at least from digging around the carrier bundles as I've never used a SS device.

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  Reply # 710417 1-Nov-2012 13:59
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St Mary's Bay got a new 3G cell a little while back

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coffeebaron: An "Open SureSignal" option where:
- Customer has to opt in, and agrees to quality not assured, excess data usage etc
- SureSignal has some customer configuralbe options - i.e. lock to IMEI etc
- Static IP may be required
- Will work on any broadband connection
- etc



How many people every day post wanting something fixed or a bill discounted or waived even through they have signed a contract which clearly states they get x for y and then when they breach it in some way, expect it to be the responsibility of the provider?

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