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Topic # 110934 19-Oct-2012 17:43
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Hmmm. We know there's something wrong here when I can get to Geekzone faster through a VPN ending in Sydney than through my standard TelstraClear HFC 100 Mbps connections.

Actually I can get to Geekzone faster through a Telecom mobile connection than through my TelstraClear HFC connection.

What's going on TelstraClear?






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  Reply # 703677 19-Oct-2012 17:45
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Just tested something here...

Ping to www.geekzone.co.nz (which is behind a Cloudflare POP in Sydney) when on TelstraClear is around 150ms.

On the same TelstraClear connection but using a VPN with an endpoint in Sydney: 50ms.

There's something really bad cooking up on TelstraClear's routes.




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  Reply # 703691 19-Oct-2012 18:08
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Looks like Telstraglobal (formerly Reach) routing to Equinix data center via Hong Kong again... then it seems like it goes to Singapore rather than Sydney Cloudfare server.

Odd.

The gang of four peering arrangements in AU are just as bad as the Telecom/Telstraclear peering arrangements here.

Unfortunately you don't have another option on Cable, you have to stick with Telstraclear.

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  Reply # 703709 19-Oct-2012 18:33
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|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| WinMTR statistics |
| Host - % | Sent | Recv | Best | Avrg | Wrst | Last |
|------------------------------------------------|------|------|------|------|------|------|
| router - 1 | 10120 | 10065 | 1 | 2 | 206 | 1 |
| router - 1 | 10070 | 10002 | 1 | 3 | 163 | 2 |
| Destination host unreachable. - 100 | 2075 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Destination host unreachable. - 1 | 10127 | 10069 | 9 | 30 | 719 | 10 |
| Destination host unreachable. - 1 | 10120 | 10062 | 22 | 27 | 341 | 45 |
| ge-0-2-0-1.xcore1.acld.telstraclear.net - 3 | 9364 | 9114 | 22 | 27 | 213 | 26 |
| Destination host unreachable. - 1 | 10119 | 10062 | 22 | 25 | 374 | 44 |
|i-0-0-4-1.sydo-core02.bx.telstraglobal.net - 1 | 10111 | 10053 | 47 | 51 | 403 | 59 |
|i-0-7-2-0.sydp-core01.bi.telstraglobal.net - 1 | 10116 | 10059 | 47 | 51 | 356 | 51 |
|i-1-0-0.hkhh-core01.bx.telstraglobal.net - 1 | 10122 | 10067 | 101 | 105 | 462 | 102 |
| i-0-10-0-0.hkhh01.bi.telstraglobal.net - 1 | 10122 | 10067 | 149 | 153 | 348 | 152 |
| 10026.hkg.equinix.com - 1 | 10121 | 10066 | 150 | 155 | 592 | 162 |
| ae0-900.gw1.hkg3.asianetcom.net - 1 | 10122 | 10067 | 152 | 156 | 435 | 152 |
| Destination host unreachable. - 1 | 10113 | 10054 | 152 | 194 | 524 | 163 |
| te0-0-2-0.wr1.hkg0.asianetcom.net - 1 | 10100 | 10039 | 154 | 196 | 550 | 171 |
| te0-0-2-0.wr2.sel0.asianetcom.net - 1 | 10099 | 10038 | 154 | 195 | 523 | 165 |
| Destination host unreachable. - 1 | 10108 | 10045 | 154 | 196 | 531 | 157 |
| Destination host unreachable. - 1 | 10100 | 10038 | 154 | 196 | 527 | 163 |
| Destination host unreachable. - 1 | 10096 | 10032 | 154 | 196 | 514 | 155 |
|________________________________________________|______|______|______|______|______|______|
WinMTR v0.92 GPL V2 by Appnor MSP - Fully Managed Hosting & Cloud Provider


compare with another service provider...

1. 202.68.81.x                     0.0% 10336    0.1   0.1   0.1   2.1   0.0
 2. ge0-3.cr2.wlg.dts.net.nz          0.0% 10335   11.5  12.3   3.5 108.4   7.0
 3. v856.ge0-1.cr2.akl.dts.net.nz     0.0% 10335   24.6  23.4  15.5 351.0  17.8
 4. ip-249.203.31.114.VOCUS.net.au    0.0% 10335   19.8  21.4  15.3  58.2   5.4
 5. ten-0-2-0-300.bdr02.akl01.akl.VO  0.0% 10335   48.7  48.5  39.7 152.4   7.8
 6. pos-0-2-0.cor02.syd03.nsw.VOCUS.  0.0% 10335   48.6  47.5  39.4 146.9   7.5
 7. ip-215.192.31.114.VOCUS.net.au    0.0% 10335   50.6  46.7  38.9  84.4   6.0
 8. 13335.syd.equinix.com             0.0% 10335   55.3  73.2  40.6 225.9  22.7
 9. 108.162.203.66                    0.0% 10335   42.6  45.9  39.2  80.0   5.5






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  Reply # 703743 19-Oct-2012 19:28
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I hope they TCL are paying TCL to find these faults.

Would have thought their own systems would discover them first..o well...

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  Reply # 703746 19-Oct-2012 19:34
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mattbush: I hope they TCL are paying TCL to find these faults.

Would have thought their own systems would discover them first..o well...


Matt it's a route change in Australia for some reason. 

What you're suggesting is TCL should be monitoring every BGP change across the internet and reacting to it.

It's just silly to expect TCL would be doing this and understanding the impacts.

I've pinged someone in Telstra.au, so we'll see how quickly we find out what's up and if they can fix it.


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Reply # 703770 19-Oct-2012 20:54
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freitasm: Hmmm. We know there's something wrong here when I can get to Geekzone faster through a VPN ending in Sydney than through my standard TelstraClear HFC 100 Mbps connections.

Actually I can get to Geekzone faster through a Telecom mobile connection than through my TelstraClear HFC connection.

What's going on TelstraClear?


You know what I am going to say...

Telecom's Smartphone network - Faster and in more places. Laughing

Hope TCL get Telstra in AU to sort out their routing.

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  Reply # 703784 19-Oct-2012 21:41
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plambrechtsen:  Telecom's Smartphone network - Faster and in more places. Laughing


ROFL... 

plambrechtsen: Hope TCL get Telstra in AU to sort out their routing.


Who knows...  don't know anyone in the routing/noc area in TCL, but Telstra.au are looking at it :) 

(The issue has been ack'ed)




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  Reply # 703802 19-Oct-2012 22:04
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That might explain why my new Cloudflare enabled website is no faster even being served from Australia rather than from the USA. Via a VPN to Australia isn't any faster for me, but it's no slower either. A VPN via the US is slower though. I'm using a website performance testing tool I have set up to help make changes to one of my websites.




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  Reply # 703838 19-Oct-2012 23:49
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freitasm: Just tested something here...

Ping to www.geekzone.co.nz (which is behind a Cloudflare POP in Sydney) when on TelstraClear is around 150ms.

On the same TelstraClear connection but using a VPN with an endpoint in Sydney: 50ms.

There's something really bad cooking up on TelstraClear's routes.


Why are you on Telstra still? Sure the 100mbit plan is great and all but I see these threads pop up quite often on GZ ;)

On a /slightly/ related note, I have been seeing quite a few Cloudflare errors popping up whilst browsing Geekzone, sometimes I can not access it for at-least 10mins while I have the "This website is currently experiencing problems" error display.






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  Reply # 703881 20-Oct-2012 07:01
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These route/proxy problems don't happen ALL the time. When cable works, there's no DSL technology that can compare to it.

As for any errors, I haven't seen these for a while (I've been doing some changes in the background in the last week) so if you see anything from now on, take a note, then post here. Make sure to check with Geekzone Status Page to see if it wasn't an outage (we took some hits this month with updates and maintenance work).






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  Reply # 704758 22-Oct-2012 20:06
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freitasm: Latency just got worse. Ping to Sydney now doubled and it's around 450ms from here...


Ya, does  .sin3.asianetcom.net mean it's heading off to singapore now?



|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|                                      WinMTR statistics                                   |
|                       Host              -   %  | Sent | Recv | Best | Avrg | Wrst | Last |
|------------------------------------------------|------|------|------|------|------|------|
|                            rb751-router -    0 |   42 |   42 |    1 |    5 |   46 |    2 |
|                             192.168.5.1 -    0 |   42 |   42 |    1 |    4 |   47 |    1 |
|                   No response from host -  100 |    8 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |
|                          218.101.61.101 -    0 |   42 |   42 |   10 |   24 |  341 |   12 |
|            ie2-g-0-0-0.telstraclear.net -    0 |   42 |   42 |   23 |   32 |   73 |   25 |
| ge-0-2-0-1.xcore1.acld.telstraclear.net -    3 |   39 |   38 |   23 |   27 |   77 |   23 |
|               unknown.telstraglobal.net -    0 |   42 |   42 |   23 |   27 |   48 |   24 |
|i-0-0-1-0.sydo-core02.bx.telstraglobal.net -    0 |   42 |   42 |   48 |   52 |   70 |   51 |
|i-0-3-2-0.sydo-core01.bi.telstraglobal.net -    0 |   42 |   42 |   47 |   51 |   72 |   48 |
|i-0-0-2.pthp-core01.bi.telstraglobal.net -    0 |   42 |   42 |  102 |  105 |  132 |  103 |
|i-1-1-0.6ntp-core01.bx.telstraglobal.net -    0 |   42 |   42 |  150 |  153 |  165 |  153 |
|   i-0-1-0-1.6ntp01.bi.telstraglobal.net -    0 |   42 |   42 |  152 |  155 |  161 |  156 |
|                  p10026.sgw.equinix.com -    0 |   42 |   42 |  153 |  155 |  162 |  155 |
|        cdf-0003.gw2.sin3.asianetcom.net -    0 |   42 |   42 |  328 |  442 |  501 |  454 |
|                          108.162.202.66 -    0 |   42 |   42 |  327 |  443 |  509 |  459 |
|________________________________________________|______|______|______|______|______|______|




This is the trace from one of Telstra.au's looking glasses.


1 GigabitEthernet3-3.exi1.Melbourne.telstra.net (203.50.77.49) 0.384 ms 0.225 ms 0.240 ms
2 TenGigabitEthernet0-12-0-2.exi-core1.Melbourne.telstra.net (203.50.80.1) 0.989 ms 2.240 ms 3.117 ms
3 Bundle-Ether12.chw-core2.Sydney.telstra.net (203.50.11.74) 16.365 ms 23.488 ms 23.990 ms
4 TenGigabitEthernet8-1.ken45.Sydney.telstra.net (203.50.19.64) 29.115 ms 15.238 ms 15.116 ms
5 pacnet2.lnk.telstra.net (139.130.94.34) 14.989 ms 14.990 ms 37.114 ms
6 te0-2-0-0.cr2.syd5.asianetcom.net (203.192.174.181) 17.117 ms 18.864 ms 15.988 ms
7 gi3-0-0.gw1.syd2.asianetcom.net (202.147.55.82) 15.616 ms 15.611 ms 15.615 ms
8 CDF-0011.asianetcom.net (203.192.167.86) 74.485 ms 18.988 ms 70.613 ms
9 108.162.202.66 (108.162.202.66) 15.738 ms 15.992 ms 15.739 ms



So is the problem really that the CDN is announcing 108.162.202.66 to the wrong asianetcom.net interface for equinix.com which is where Telstraglobal.net is picking up traffic from?



It looks like it's changed though, so perhaps someone is currently pushing in changes to fix the problem.





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  Reply # 704770 22-Oct-2012 20:23
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freitasm: Latency just got worse. Ping to Sydney now doubled and it's around 450ms from here...



telstraclear's always been pretty hit and miss for australia traffic.  is your google going to to australia yet?

74.125.237.24, 8.8.8.8 should be ~25 msec higher than ping to auckland.

139.130.4.4 probably routes fine as it's on telstra australia (dns).


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  Reply # 704786 22-Oct-2012 20:48
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Wow, 400ms to my website in Sydney. Are they going via the international space station or something?




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  Reply # 704788 22-Oct-2012 20:52
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Snap:

Tracing route to geekzone.co.nz [2400:cb00:2048:1::6ca2:ca42]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 2406:e000:632f::
2 6 ms 5 ms 6 ms 2406:e000:98:1::1
3 5 ms 4 ms 4 ms 2406:e000:98:3::1
4 * * * Request timed out.
5 * * * Request timed out.
6 * * * Request timed out.
7 42 ms 42 ms 42 ms 2001:de8:6::2:3655:1
8 84 ms 89 ms 99 ms 2001:de8:6::1:3335:1
9 45 ms 44 ms 44 ms 2400:cb00:2048:1::6ca2:ca42

Trace complete.


lol :-) ipv4:



Tracing route to geekzone.co.nz [108.162.203.66]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 3 ms <1 ms <1 ms router.home.tw.net.nz [192.168.9.254]
2 5 ms 7 ms 4 ms 20.17.69.111.static.snap.net.nz [111.69.17.20]
3 5 ms 4 ms 4 ms 24.17.69.111.static.snap.net.nz [111.69.17.24]
4 * * * Request timed out.
5 * * * Request timed out.
6 * * * Request timed out.
7 41 ms 42 ms 42 ms 23655.syd.equinix.com [202.167.228.156]
8 114 ms 59 ms 69 ms 13335.syd.equinix.com [202.167.228.154]
9 42 ms 42 ms 42 ms 108.162.203.66

Trace complete.

 




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