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#15550 28-Aug-2007 14:38

Hi all,

 

 

 

Thought I’d start a thread on early termination charges (ETC) for Vodafone customers and how we work it.

 

 First of all, why do we have ETCs?

 

Basically it’s a cost recovery mission. You Choose customers (for example) are signed to a contract because they’re offered either a free handset a discount off a handset or free minutes or add ons. The cost of the plan is worked out to take that into consideration, so early termination of that plan means we have to recover some costs.

 

There are three ways to terminate your plan.

 

First of all there’s early termination. This happens when you quit your plan and leave Vodafone entirely. The ETC is based on a sliding scale depending on how long you have left on your plan and what plan it is, the general principle is the closer you are to the end of the contract the lower the ETC as we have recovered the majority of our costs by then.

 

Then we have the early re-sign process.  Which has a similar sliding scale depending on the length of the original contract, i.e. If you’re within two months of the end of your 12 month YC contract you can re-sign (either to that plan or to another Vodafone plan) at no cost. If you’ve got MORE than two months left, however, again there’s a fee based on how long you have left and what plan you were on originally. On a 24 month YC contract no resigns are available in the first 12 months, a fee of $150 for 13- 18 months and free after 18 months. Again, this is to recover the cost associated with the original plan and to sort everything out before you move to your new plan.

 

Finally there’s the plan transfer fee. If you’re moving from a higher plan to a lower plan there may be a fee associated. That’s because, as with the other situations, you have received a subsidy of some kind on the higher plan based on your higher value. Moving to a lower plan means we reassess that value and bill accordingly.

 

The site that contains all the detail on this is:

 

http://www.vodafone.co.nz/personal/plans-services/plans/ending-your-contract/

 

 This isn’t something that only Vodafone does. Most telcos around the world charge early termination charges of some kind or another. I realise there are some out there that believe no telco subsidises handsets any longer but that simply isn’t true – we do subsidise them right across the board.  Effectively by signing to an On Account plan you are signing a binding contract with clearly set out terms and conditions which give both parties rights and responsibilities. Vodafone is in fact very flexible in interpreting the responsibility of customers to see out their contract term, allowing resign before the end of the term in all cases.

 

If you want to avoid ETCs there are three ways to go about it: either wait until your contract has expired,  sign up for Prepay in the first place or On Account Motormouth. Motormouth and Prepay customers don’t receive subsidised handsets and therefore don’t pay ETCs.





Paul Brislen
Head of Corporate Communications
Vodafone

http://forum.vodafone.co.nz


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  #84110 28-Aug-2007 15:09
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While I agree with everything you've posted above I still fail to see why Vodafone impose the same ETC's on all customers regardless of the situation.

If a customer signs up on You Choose 600 for example on a 12 month contract and doesn't take out a new handset they get 25 free minutes per month which is a $159 bonus over the 12 months of the contract. Cancelling that contract within the first 3 months will cost $300 down to $105 to cancel between 7-12 months. That's more than just recovering costs. In a case of a customer cancelling their contract they won't actually use the free minutes therefore no termination costs are actually incurred to Vodafone.






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  #84122 28-Aug-2007 16:06
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Thanks for posting.

Well i'm into my 19th month on Choose 60 so at least I know I can freely move to the new YouChoose 60 Talker plan for the same price and receive the free vodafone texting and calling every weekend and a free bestmate, all in exchange for resigning another 24 month contract.

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  #84203 29-Aug-2007 00:14
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there is another option,

why cant i sign up for you choose without a subsidy, I dont want it,

from what you say in the post it is a cost recovery exercise.  well if i dont take advantage of the OFFERED subsidy,  there is therefore no cost and therefore no need to recover said cost

I have previously rung CS and asked this very question and was informed even if i didnt take any subsidies i would still be bound by termination clauses,  which is fair enough if i sign up for it i should expect to honour the clause,  but my question is why do i have to sign the clause if i dont want the OFFERED Subsidy



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#84212 29-Aug-2007 07:14
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This is a very good question. I'd say the calls themselves are the subsidy. Have you checked how much is a call from a phone without a voice plan (if this can still be done)? They are really expensive!




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  #84232 29-Aug-2007 10:32
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It does seem a little unfriendly.

My partner and I are off to the UK for a year next year. We're both on Motormouth onAccount, I use mine more heavily and would like to have her as a BestMate on my mobile.

I would like to use a plan where I can use BM on my phone without having to cart around a second phone on prepay to be able to do so, and without having to pay termination charges before we fly out.

There's no way to do this, is there? I don't think we can even keep our numbers.

If I have to port our numbers over to Telecom Prepaid to keep them, and Telecom have their GSM network up, or almost up, by the time we return, there's not much incentive for us to stay with, or change back to VF is there?

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  #84234 29-Aug-2007 10:44
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yes and no

for standard you choose

the call rates do not change based on the length of commitment only on the base min.

obviously if you get better rates if you sign up for longer then there is a "cost" (actually it is a discount not a cost unless they go below their break even point which i dought they do) this is not the case on you choose standard,  you get either a phone discount an addon or min or a combination, min rates and penalty min rates are not effected by contract term

also as a previous respondent noted anything to do with min (also applies to free addons) in the future does not represent a cost until you incur them

if i sign up for you choose today and take minutes as the offer then cancel after a month and have not used my bonus min there has been no cost (discount) to them at all yet im still expected to pay the same penalty as someone who got a free phone and gets to keep the phone.

the whole point of package bought min is that they expire.  for people like me i never use up my min so the actual cost of my used mins is actually higher than the plan would lead you to believe.  the penalty min are set high to persuade you to change to a larger plan and therefore have expiring min.

i find it interesting that a faq on vodafones web site has gone (well at least i cant find it now) it went something like this

Q: why do i have to sign up on a contract
A: If you commit to us, we commit to giving you the best deals and services we can

which is why i suppose best mate/txt2000 and other great services are first offered  to pre pay customers with no commitment at all.  yes i know when on account customers finnaly got them they are at better rates but why do we always seem to be the last to get these things.

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