Home phone via ONT or Vodafone modem ?

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#185622 29-Nov-2015 20:21

I am looking at going to Vodafone Fibre 30/10 broadband with home phone line included. This will mean disconnection of the copper phone wiring and I presume phone being VOIP. I understand Vodafone installations normally place the ONT & modem together & feed the phone line via the modem. However other installations i.e. a MyRepublic installation takes the home phone from the ONT. Does anyone with Vodafone Fibre have there home phone line connected at the ONT unit ? I understand that Vodafone prefer or insist that the modem must be used to activate the phone line. Help anyone ?

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#1437388 29-Nov-2015 20:27

Vodafone deliver voice via the RGW. They do not use the ONT.

Both are two totally different approaches to delivering voice with the same end goal. No approach is better or worse than the other with pros and cons to both.

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#1437402 29-Nov-2015 20:56

Hi Clive100

The device that Vodafone supply that is connected to the ONT is a Router and is normaly refered to as an RGW or Residentual Gate Way. All Customers connected to Chorus Fibre that are with Vodafone have their voice service delivered via the RGW. If you want your RGW to be placed in a different location in your house ,than where the ONT is to be located, and you want voice redistribuated around the house on your existing house wireing then you will have to pay for additional cabling (if it dosent already exist) to take the voice circuit back to the ONT position. If you can live with just a cordless base station pluged into the back of the RGW instead of the extra cabling then that is up to you. Chorus installs only include the cableing up to the ONT as part of the free install

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#1437420 29-Nov-2015 21:26

Thank you both for that information. It is a shame that the customer can't have the option as in a situation like mine. The main phone line enters in the far end of the garage from there it goes direct to the dialler of the house security alarm panel & returns back to the first phone socket in the garage. This is fine if the ONT & RGW are fitted there & the RGW is connected to existing phone wiring behind the socket but all the computers & wifi devices are located up the other end of the house which I will point out is made from Zog steel framing and that severely limits the acceptable reception range. I suppose Vodafone in they wisdom ??? Will not allow or support alternative options.

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#1437422 29-Nov-2015 21:32

but should the LFC or your ISP be responsible for the wiring in your house? they get the wiring/cabling to your house, what happens inside is your responsibility

yes it may mean a cost to you to set it all up how you want it. unfortunately that is just how it is.

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#1437428 29-Nov-2015 21:51

Thanks Jase your point is taken. When the house was built an Ethernet connection was installed between the lounge & the garage and also phone sockets at both those locations. Currently I have hardwired phone & internet access at both locations via phone & Ethernet & my current ADSL Wifi modem located in the lounge provides Wifi access from a central point. Will Vodafone separate the ONT (in garage) & WRG (in lounge) to provide central Wifi coverage & access to a phone socket to connect the house existing internal phone wiring ?

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#1437430 29-Nov-2015 21:59

wifi coverage is your responsibility and again nothing to do with your ISP

sounds like your best solution is to buy an access point.

Place the ONT and RGW in the garage and connect into your phone wiring there, then connect an access point in the lounge via the ethernet cable to serve wifi where it is needed

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#1437433 29-Nov-2015 22:06

On my 30/10 install the ONT is in the lounge , then Ethernet cable down to the other end of the house to the computer room. The existing Telephone cable from the wall phone socket (that I previously used for the adsl connection) plugs into the back of the router. That only took them 5 minutes to swap a wire in the roof.

All phones in the house work just as previously.

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#1437485 30-Nov-2015 07:16

It is a shame that the customer can't have the option as in a situation like mine.

Deploying both options would be a logistical nightmare for mass market deployments. If you don't like the RGW VoIP approach my only suggestion is to move to another ISP as across the industry both options are being used.

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#1437557 30-Nov-2015 08:55

I would recommend checking in with the alarm company to make sure they're happy for the monitoring to go over voip. You may want to look into a UPS to power the ONT and modem to keep the phone line active during a power outage. Alternately the alarm company may have an alternative solution of monitoring over mobile network instead of landline. That would allow you to move towards naked broadband if it suits you as well.

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#1437568 30-Nov-2015 09:16

Hi Dylan. Thanks for your info. The alarm is not monitored but just dials out via the phone line to our cellphone in the event of an alarm event. From memory I think it just gives a siren noise. I am just trying to not "reinvent the wheel" here by keeping things as close as practical to the current setup which works with good Wifi coverage within the steel framing. If the RGW unit must be located with the ONT is it easy to use another (additional) modem /router in the lounge as a closer Wifi access point to existing devices without conflicting with the RGW wifi ?

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#1437572 30-Nov-2015 09:26

Obviously you would turn the RGW wireless off to stop interference with another wireless access point.

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#1437661 30-Nov-2015 10:16

clive100: ... If the RGW unit must be located with the ONT is it easy to use another (additional) modem /router in the lounge as a closer Wifi access point to existing devices without conflicting with the RGW wifi ?

Yep, it's easy.

Spyware: Obviously you would turn the RGW wireless off to stop interference with another wireless access point.

Can do - or could set up as different SSIDs, or at least on different channels, and devices should switch between them easily.

Couple of other options - do you have just one network socket in the lounge, or do you happen to have another one there as well? If there's two between the lounge and garage would it suit to use one for the connection between the ONT and the router, and the second one for the phone back to the alarm?

Alternately you could potentially use two lan splitters like this http://www.jaycar.co.nz/IT-Products/Networking/Patch-Leads/RJ45-Cat-5-UTP-Splitter---150mm/p/YT6090 although that would limit gigabit options. I haven't tried that myself, I'm sure someone will mention if the voltage from the phone ringing would cause too much noise for the network connection on the same cable and drop the data connection, which would then drop the call so the phone would stop ringing...

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#1437666 30-Nov-2015 10:22

VodafoneDylan:

Alternately you could potentially use two lan splitters like this http://www.jaycar.co.nz/IT-Products/Networking/Patch-Leads/RJ45-Cat-5-UTP-Splitter---150mm/p/YT6090 although that would limit gigabit options. I haven't tried that myself, I'm sure someone will mention if the voltage from the phone ringing would cause too much noise for the network connection on the same cable and drop the data connection, which would then drop the call so the phone would stop ringing...

Phone and data splitters work fine - but as you mention the limitation is 100Mbps as only 2 Ethernet pairs are available.

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#1437706 30-Nov-2015 10:50

Well it appears I have options to think about. I appreciate the input.