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# 19089 5-Feb-2008 08:05
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We are building a new house and will be moving in a month. Where we are at the moment we have our line rental with Telecom and Internet with Slingshot. We are looking at joining WorldxChange and subscribing to XnetFusion (total package). Do we need to get Telecom to connect our phone up to the new house (I believe this cost is around $500) or can WorldxChange do a brand new connection? Thank you. Anne

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  # 108604 5-Feb-2008 08:11
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Hi Anne,

Bascially Telecom will still need to deliver the copper to the house first so that fee would probably be for that, however what you don't need is to get a Telecom Home line, once the actual line is delivered you can order Fusion from there so then you will only have Internet and Voice services on a single provider.




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  # 108612 5-Feb-2008 09:13
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For your new house, don't run Telecom jack points anywhere, this is old school. Have a central point where the Telecom copper enters the house, have a patch panel, install your router & network gear there. Then run CAT5/6 cable everywhere with RJ45 sockets to plug phones or networking into. If you need more advice on this, please PM me.




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  # 108613 5-Feb-2008 09:21
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IMHO cat6 cable is a waste of time and money in a residential dwelling. Cat5e supports gigabit ethernet and won't deliver any performance gain over the typical lengths that you're running.

The requirements for a cat6 system and installation are quite different from cat5 and if it's not installed correctly it's a waste of time running it in the first place as it will never deliver any performance increase and will potentially even be slower.


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  # 108766 5-Feb-2008 19:07
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Also need to get the cables installed by a pro (or yourself), because network cables need to be an integer multiple of some length to maintain the correct line impediance.  We have that problem in one place at work.




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  # 108797 5-Feb-2008 21:55
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Why is CAT5 better than phone lines?  isn't it expensive to buy CAT5 to Phone adaptors?   And Most PC's these days just use wireless LAN.

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  # 108799 5-Feb-2008 22:04
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hpj2007: Why is CAT5 better than phone lines?  isn't it expensive to buy CAT5 to Phone adaptors?   And Most PC's these days just use wireless LAN.


1. Phone lines can only carry phone, not data/ethernet/tv like cat5e can.

2. You don't need any adapters for cat5 cable as you'd normally just use RJ45 keystones and to plug in a phone it's a simple RJ12-RJ12 cable.

3. Wireless LAN's are not a replacement for wired networks. WiFi is still far slower than ethernet and isn't really suitable for streaming video. Wireless N may do video OK but still can't match ethernet.

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  # 108800 5-Feb-2008 22:04
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Cat5 is reasonably cheap, its far better to lay Cat5 and install the RJ45 jack points while the house is being built. The adapters from RJ-45 to BT adapters aren't too expensive. Wireless is not the best median - it probably will never replace cable for heavy transfers.

But remember, its future proofing. You might not need all the capacity of Cat5 cabling now, but if you want to run networks, video streaming, phones - its a worthwhile investment.




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  # 108878 6-Feb-2008 12:46
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Cat5 is cheap - Approx $120-$150 retail for a 300m pull box.
Well worth the investment as it is capable of carrying phone or data.

This reminds me - does anyone know if using a cat5 cable to carry a phone line on one of the spare pairs will disrupt data on the same cable? My pabx is a digital one and we have 2 extensions (2 pair each) going between houses per cable and have no disruptions but I would be interested to know about an analog phone line and computer data at the same time on the single cable - my spare pabx ports are analog.
I will possibly need to be adding a 3rd house into the network / phone system soon.




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  # 108882 6-Feb-2008 12:53
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raytaylor: This reminds me - does anyone know if using a cat5 cable to carry a phone line on one of the spare pairs will disrupt data on the same cable? My pabx is a digital one and we have 2 extensions (2 pair each) going between houses per cable and have no disruptions but I would be interested to know about an analog phone line and computer data at the same time on the single cable - my spare pabx ports are analog.

There are 2 spare pairs in 10/100/1Gig Ethernet cable so you can use them for something else if you like.

Because Ethernet is a balanced/differential line, crosstalk from other lines is cancelled out, especially at audio frequencies.  If you were running ADSL over the line, it might be a different story, but audio should not pose any problem at all.

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  # 108890 6-Feb-2008 13:19
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grant_k: There are 2 spare pairs in 10/100/1Gig Ethernet cable so you can use them for something else if you like.

Gigabit Ethernet uses all four pairs, so only spare on 10/100.

Another reason to consider CAT6 over CAT5e: there are new specs in the working that would enable Gigabit Ethernet to only need two pairs. This would open up the spare pairs again for voice or POE etc. As the price gap is closing between CAT5e and CAT6, it may still be worth considering CAT6 for new installs.

Though as sbiddle says "waste of time & money", I do agree it is a bit overkill for home installs at this stage - but then again us geeks love overkill :)




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  # 108894 6-Feb-2008 13:33
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coffeebaron:
grant_k: There are 2 spare pairs in 10/100/1Gig Ethernet cable so you can use them for something else if you like.

Gigabit Ethernet uses all four pairs, so only spare on 10/100.

Cheers for that Coffeebaron, sorry my bad Embarassed

I thought it was only 10Gig Ethernet that used all 4 pairs, but you are right, 1Gig does as well.

I can't think of too many uses for 1Gig Ethernet in a home, but who can tell what is coming in the future.  Always best to be prepared I think, and if it was my money, I would be running separate cables for Phone and Ethernet.  Overkill is a GOOD thing Laughing

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  # 108897 6-Feb-2008 13:47
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grant_k: I can't think of too many uses for 1Gig Ethernet in a home, but who can tell what is coming in the future.  Always best to be prepared I think, and if it was my money, I would be running separate cables for Phone and Ethernet.  Overkill is a GOOD thing Laughing

Any home or particularly home/small business using network attached storage; Using Gigabit LAN gives a noticeable performance difference for backups, working on large files over the network etc. I have a small business with this kind of setup and the boss has the oldest laptop running on 100Mbps, and the rest of the workers on Gigabit. We have to do scheduled or manual backs for him, else his laptop becomes very slow. The others all backup in real time, and of course large files are no problem either.

Yea overkill is good, bring on CAT7, or maybe I'll just fibre my home :)




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