VDSL installed in the middle of nowhere..

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cody770

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#198814 23-Jul-2016 18:03

I had orginally posted this in a reply to someone else but realised that it would be best right here.

VDSL installations, i was under the impression that they have hard limits about maximum attenuation etc ultimately resulting in being too far from cabinet you get a NO for VDSL install. Try this on for size and... hmm why?

I live in Kaiteriteri about 3km from cabinet - until Dec 2015 we were so dark age we could only get ADSL1. Then finally got cabinet upgraded. Originally was connected with ADSL1 and, of course, sync speeds were roughly 5000/500. Then the newer result after the upgrade to ADSL2+ 7000/680. After trying this out last Dec.. it was sloooooow! The internet seemed to grind to a halt when the holidaying crowds of people came here for the summer holidays.

That was enough for DSL! Along came 4G RBI and it was lightning fast and did not slow down! Only thing it was 80GB Cap and expensive in comparison to DSL.

Anyway 7 months later - bringing me to last week, wanted to simply upgrade RBI to add a VOIP phone line to my existing RBI plan. Then the salesperson quickly informs me that VDSL was all of a sudden available .... at my house .... in the hills ... far away from anything! I was very surprised to say the least! I already knew the attenuation rates of the ADSL2 that I had prior were already shocking BUT he did say very firmly that yes ... it is suddenly available (to which he called superiors and promply put through an order). After hearing this, I had to see what he is talking about and decided to call his bluff to see what would happen.

Next thing (less than 2 days later) I had VDSL installed - just like that! Already had a fritzbox in the drawer so I plugged that in - prefer that to the cheap one that I got sent - see the results below:

Question: have they opened up a can of VDSL on remote locations that is taking over ADSL ... or something else?

Max. DSLAM throughput kbit/s - 100016/51200
Attainable throughput kbit/s - 7765/1053
Current throughput kbit/s - 7765/1053
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Impulse Noise Protection (INP) - 0/0
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Signal-to-noise ratio dB - 9/9
Bitswap - on/on
Line attenuation dB - 38/22
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#1597380 23-Jul-2016 18:03

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#1597399 23-Jul-2016 18:16

I think at 3kms you are too far away for VDSL.

cody770

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#1597400 23-Jul-2016 18:18

Yeah thats what I thought too! Dont get me wrong .. I am not complaining and its fine - I am happy with the speeds I have (still the the RBI) .. I am just positively curious as to what and why!

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#1597412 23-Jul-2016 19:14

3km does sound to far.

I can check the Chorus database if you want to message me your address.

I am surprised to hear that on the new ADSL 2+ cabinet it slowed down during the busy holiday time, these are mostly connected back with fibre. It almost makes me wonder if the ISP was getting hammer. Chorus generally try pretty hard to avoid congestion on there ISAMs (which is the ADSL 2+ / VDSL cabinets) and often do upgrades when more capacity is needed.

Depending on the ISP they may handover from Chorus locally in Kerikeri and backhaul the traffic to Auckland themselves. Other ISPs use Chorus to backhaul the traffic back to Auckland (aka Tail Extension).

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#1597637 24-Jul-2016 10:41

Wow... I'm astonished VDSL is working over that distance (based on hearing repeatedly that VDSL will only work over the 'hundreds of metres' distance). That is a respectable connection, and I hope the reliability is stellar.

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#1597727 24-Jul-2016 14:20

Are you sure that Chorus didn't just install another cabinet that is closer? I'm guessing a new cabinet as the max throughput is 100mbit. Older isams only goto 70mbit.

@cody770 do you have a master filter installed? If not get one put in and you will probably get some extra speed.

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#1597733 24-Jul-2016 14:37

VDSL2 can reach up to approx. 3km, but speed after 1.5km aligns much closer to ADSL2+ speeds. There is also long reach VDSL, but I haven't heard of that in NZ yet.

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#1597874 24-Jul-2016 22:01

Yeah seems to be what I thought.. Thanks for all your replies so far. It is very stable .. More so than previous vdsl connections that I have had. I am unaware of any new cabinets but I am roughly in the middle of two with approx 6km in between. I do have a master filter installed and to be honest made no difference to a before and after sadly.

It does align with ADSL2 speeds .. Still for the unlimited data and $20 cheaper than 80GB previously .. No comparison!

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#1597884 24-Jul-2016 23:02

coffeebaron:

VDSL2 can reach up to approx. 3km, but speed after 1.5km aligns much closer to ADSL2+ speeds. There is also long reach VDSL, but I haven't heard of that in NZ yet.

AFAIK chorus have not used the longreach vdsl.

identically speced adsl vs vdsl would be slightly faster on adsl due to PTM, but then there is all the little things like DLM etc that you have to be aware of too.

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#1597886 24-Jul-2016 23:15

Also, something people don't often take into account, is often in towns the copper is a mixture of 0.5mm, 0.63mm and 0.4mm with the majority being 0.4mm, while often in rural locations it's almost entirely 0.63mm - this gets you a bit more wiggle room with signal, I've seen ADSL 1 going up to 13km away - although that was on mostly 0.9mm cable.

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