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#75612 20-Jan-2011 18:46
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See vodafone has just released the "Sure Signal"

Just so i get this str8.

If someone has crappy vodafone coverage

1) They have to buy a unit from $350 - $1034
2) Have BB with vodafone and plug the Femtocell into it (in which case it uses your internet to place the call your making from your vodafone cellphone).
3) Still get charged for the call/text you make from your phone via the Femtocell

So you pay vodafone for the unit?
You pay vodafone for your BB which they then use for free to place a call because they have crap coverage where you live? (and does this go onto your BB data limit as well?)
You pay for your calls/text via the FemtoCell

Is that how it works because it sounds like vodafone is milking it.


 

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  #429302 20-Jan-2011 19:17
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It depends entirely what your view of femtocells are. You seem to share the opinion that carriers should be deploying cellsites everywhere to minimise all possible deadspots and that femtocells should be deployed for free to anybody who can't get coverage. I beg to differ completely.

There are many people in NZ who will never get 3G mobile coverage from any network, despite having adequate broadband. There are many reasons for this including building materials, geographic location, technical limitations (ie providing coverage to hillside suburbs near marge cities because spread/interference is a major issue), and last but not least the ongoing issues all networks face with people simply wanting cellsites anywhere but their back yard.

Femto's have proven very popular in the UK, in part because they've enabled people in areas with only GSM coverage to have access to 3G services. They've also proven exceptionally popular because they allow data offloading from networks which enables corporate environments to deploy mobile only devices and not have to worry

Having been to the Alcatel Lucent presentation here in NZ last year and having played with the Sure Signal and ALU solutions I believe femtocells are a revolution. It's a shame you don't see things the same way and chose to instantly form a negative opinion of something you've presumably never even seen or used.



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  #429307 20-Jan-2011 19:34
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Not at all i think femtocells are a great idea.

if you have crap coverage at home get one of these, the fact that vodafone charge for the unit, then charge you for the BB you have to have with them, then use that BB for free then charge you for calls/text on top of that using BB that you have already purchased (still don't know if it goes towards your BB data cap).

Would it not be better to have something like the following.

You have no/low coverage at home/work, you call vodafone, they confirm that there is little to no coverage they send out a unit (free) if you are their BB plans (if not great up sell to get them onto vodafone BB). Tell the person that the data used for the Femtocell does not go towards there data cap or they get a $5-$10 discount on their BB plan.
This in turn lets the person use their cellphones more, which in turn gives vodafone more money. 

Don't get me wrong I think the product is good, the marketing/cost is not.





 
 
 
 


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  #429314 20-Jan-2011 19:56
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My understanding is all data used by the femto is zero rated.


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  #429388 20-Jan-2011 23:01
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Excellent move from Vodafone, been in the pipeline for years of course. Will effect some of my passive voice coverage solutions but then again they need ADSL to get it working so in that case, most of my voice business will still exist as often there is no ADSL (especially 1mbps) to the site.

But congrats to Vodafone, wise move. Telecom surely will follow suit soon with an ALU product





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  #429389 20-Jan-2011 23:11
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Am I cynical in the fact that a lot of people that this device would technically help, won't be able to get it?  In particularly people that live in large communications dead spots.  Sure it'll help the people that say live in a Valley/behind a hill near an exchange that are just in the wrong place to get decent coverage. But the 1Mbps requirement really means somewhere w/in 5km of an exchange.

Technically speaking I'd be lucky in the fact that I get 2Mbits and I'm just over 4km away from the exchange (I get _really_ weak Vodafone/2D reception here), but some people I know that would really want/need something like that & that have real problems with both ADSL & Mobile reception (as in both non existent) about 1/2-1km down the road are out of luck.

(And as much as I'd love to see any of the big 3 placing a tower nearby I already know the excuse ;) although, this is still Auckland I'm talking about)

I should note though, so this post doesn't come off completely one-sided, I agree, brilliant move by Vodafone, Telecom following suit would be great.   Also, as it seems to have no GSM functionality will we start seeing potentially cheaper  entry-level 3G handsets from Vodafone?

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  #429390 20-Jan-2011 23:12
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With only a 1Megabit requirement, it will be a considerable step down from being on the proper vodafone network speedwise.

Is there any options to get cheaper data on devices when connected thru the sure signal since it will be slower and not loading up vodafones wireless network?

Not too sure on the ranges they quote - thats less than a dect phone, which barely gets thru a mid sized house. Even wifi would have more range if the 20m is a real figure.




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  #429392 20-Jan-2011 23:14
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My question would be is there potential for the sure signal to operate over Vodafone Mobile broadband (sounds weird I know) but for a rural no adsl customer. If you have the right kit (VoloAccess VA125 etc) & if Vodafone would launch HSPA+, upload and download with a single or twin YAGI configuration would enable this to work at a site outside of the ADSL coverage zone (most of rural NZ) and work well!

Now that would be a real solution..





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  #429394 20-Jan-2011 23:18
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richms: With only a 1Megabit requirement, it will be a considerable step down from being on the proper vodafone network speedwise.

Is there any options to get cheaper data on devices when connected thru the sure signal since it will be slower and not loading up vodafones wireless network?

Not too sure on the ranges they quote - thats less than a dect phone, which barely gets thru a mid sized house. Even wifi would have more range if the 20m is a real figure.


I believe it runs on 2100mhz but could be wrong, side point but that may not help.

In the UK from memory the networks promised all the way around the home coverage but often it was a room only. reality is that it says up to 20m, and like WIFI and cell signal now it will be reduced by building structures etc so each house will vary.

It is a great option but closing it down to ADSL makes it useless for most of the key dead spots, i.e. rural NZ. Urban and semi urban areas with ADLS should be fine of course.





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  #429410 21-Jan-2011 00:34
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Open source components
The Vodafone Sure Signal contains a number of open source
components. Please visit www.vodafone.co.nz/suresignal for
licensing information and, where applicable, access to source
code.

I think it's asking to be hacked, I wander if using the source provided I can in a way make my own? Might attempt to do this soon when funds allow the purchase of one of these boxes (Crap all signal at home, could be very handy)




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  #429415 21-Jan-2011 01:31
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Terms of the sure signal say that when you go over and are limited to 64k it will no longer work.

As vodafone dont have any internet plans for moderate to high users, and dont see fit to exclude the sure signal from any throttling, it makes it pretty useless, Can see that if you had naked dsl and then a sure signal, it would be great to have all communications cut off part way thru the month because vodafone dont offer any plans to suit.




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  #429450 21-Jan-2011 09:45
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When I lived at home (middle of Timaru "city"), I had Telecom mobile broadband (Sierra 595U), and no issues with reception, or mobile (CDMA) reception. After moving out I changed to Vodafone mobile broadband/mobile phone. Now when I go back to visit, my mobile phone has 3/4 bars and works fine (including using the net), however my Huawei K3715 vodem thing, has 0 - 1 bars, still connects but is incredibly flaky, I think the longest it ever stayed connected was 40 minutes, most often only 10, and it goes incredibly slow.

Is this saying that I have good 2G coverage, and almost no 3G? What I am getting at is I would benefit with one of these units if I have a 3G phone that cannot actually get 3G from poor reception? Other suburbs in the "city" are also affected by poor coverage (google poor reception gleniti), it was in the paper a week ago.

Oh and additionally, I wonder if you had one of these, if you could run Vodafone wireless home phone off it too?

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  #429454 21-Jan-2011 09:59
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@IiDuce, just think of it as a micro 3G cellsite in your own house.
Micro- because it can only handle a few users at a time and because it has a very (very) small range.

So yes you could use it where you had other coverage and your handset would simply lock to the strongest signal.... but of course f you had good 3G coverage why would you bother to buy one.....

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  #429455 21-Jan-2011 10:00
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The Femto Cell effectively creates a cell site (3G 2100mhz) in your home so your phone can make calls and use 3G mobile data. It is not a 2G solution.

So irrelevant if you have no 3G or 2G now as this will give you a localized home 3G connection for voice and data. Note that if your phone has WIFI may as well use that, probably be faster anyway but for voice calls it will be a great.

Got to have ADSL & have it with Vodafone first.





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  #429460 21-Jan-2011 10:12
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@mrtoken.. Not sure why you believe the Telcos should be funding devices.
Fact is the physics of our terrain and radio propagation and that we don't all live and work in cardboard buildings means there is a need for individual solutions... and I don't have a problem with having to pay for that.

I don't expect the Telco to provide a PBX because I want more lines for my business, or for the power company to willing provide more power or lighting in my home because I decide these things need improving for me.

I'm aware of a number of business who'd benefit because they're based in steel windowless warehouses, great for protecting and storing their product but no much good for their reps mobiles when they're in the building. And also individuals and companies who just happen to be a bit to far down in a valley to get reliable coverage. When you think that the device allows these people to maintain their mobile connections for simply calls and texts, its a bonus. For data most would be using the on site wifi if their network and handsets are set up properly.

On the VF forum site they say the data won't come out of you BB bundle.

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  #429463 21-Jan-2011 10:33
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Is there a Red Network coverage map somewhere? Or is that too complicated to do a map of? Because I assume to get Naked internet through Vodafone I need to be within the red zone (which I am not, but other addresses here may be able to connect to it).

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