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#35554 12-Jun-2009 01:01

Not technically a VoIP issue, but using VoIP technology.
Here's the deal:
I currently have a VoIP service running on my satellite broadband but will be knocking that on the head as the latency can be a hassle for callers, and the codec I'm required to use appears to chew way too much of my limited data allowance.
My next idea was to use the landline 200m away. I am already connected by wireless, and I have heard that I could put a device with FXO port at the landline end of the network, utilise my existing HT486 at my end, and in effect dial out directly on POTS. Does this sound right?
If so, would the AG310 be a suitable device for the landline end, and how should I configure that and the 486 to ignore SIP and dial exclusively to POTS? And to communicate with each other of course.

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#224219 12-Jun-2009 06:44

What you want to do is possible, it's just a matter of having the correct hardware to do it.

I'll have a think about it and get back to you later on.

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#224253 12-Jun-2009 09:29

Thanks.
Further info if relevant:
Network comprised of 2 x TP-LINK WR642G wireless. I don't really need the ADSL capability of the AG310 but I can find that quite a bit cheaper than the less-featured SPA3102!

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no ADSL

I'm surprised I still have my sanity!

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#224259 12-Jun-2009 09:36

We get a lot of inquiries for that sort of thing (bridging analog lines over VoIP) I tend to recommend going with the little ATCOM embedded PBX units as they are really flexible and cost effective for what they can do. Because they are a full PBX (Asterisk) they are designed for things to register to them which makes it easy to use an ATA on the other end.

You can put the Linksys SPA3102 back to back also but it's more of a hassle.

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#224277 12-Jun-2009 10:25

You can set up a SPA3102 and presumably a AG310 (since it is virtually identical) to act as a SIP proxy and accept inbound SIP registrations and pass these through to the FXO port. You can also pass incoming FXO calls through to another ATA that will accept inbound SIP URI calling.

The easiest way would be to set up a Atcom box as Hadley as pointed out but what you want to do can be done - it'll just take a bit of setup to do this.

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#224303 12-Jun-2009 11:59

Thanks for that guys.
Hads, is the ATCOM unit standalone? Just that I can't put in a card at the far end as I don't want to have that PC running just to work the phone :)
What's the model of that ATCOM - I assume I can find it at Nicegear?
Biddle - using a 310 as SIP proxy I guess I'd just set my 486 to look for that IP as proxy, and the 310 settings would make it reasonably clear how to do the pass-through?

Hassle is less important than cost - I've already spent a fortune simply getting my internet going and I'd rather keep things down for the phone now :)
It's not like I'm unused to hassle . . . :S

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I'm surprised I still have my sanity!

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#224304 12-Jun-2009 12:10

The cheaper way to do it is to have a spa3102 or ag310 at 1 end, put a call routing rule in to send the call direct to the ip address of the ata and vice versa.

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#224307 12-Jun-2009 12:15

ballistyx: Yes you will find the ATCOM units on the nicegear site. Feel free to contact me directly, I don't like being all commercial on public forums.

cisconz: Yes that's what we were referring to also.

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#224312 12-Jun-2009 12:27

The ATCOM IP04 is a standalone box that runs embedded Linux and runs Asterisk on top with a GUI. You end up with a very small and reasonably priced PBX unit that offers most of the same features you get running Asterisk on a PC.

This is by far the eaiest setup - and means you can run mutliple phones or ATA's and also use multiple VoIP providers that all become transparent as you can create dialplans in Asterisk to handle this.

As for setting up the AG310 you're pretty much got the idea. The 486 can connect to the AG310 and make an outbound call and likewise when it receives an inbound call on the FXO port it will pass this to the 486.

The only issue here is that while this could be done and should work fine I wouldn't want to guarantee that it would work flawlessly without actually sitting down with the hardware and playing with it.

I have played with a similair setup where a fax machine plugged into a Paton ATA was connected across a LAN to a SPA3102 that was plugged into a phoneline so that faxes could be sent and received so in theory it does work - it's just sitting down and working out the required configuration and making sure it is stable.

The easiest (and simplest) solution is to buy an IP04 which gives you the advantage of having all the PBX features as well. It does cost significantly more however which is the downside.

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#224313 12-Jun-2009 12:28

Cheers Cisco, that's sort of what I was thinking.
If everyone's happy that this setup will work (at least in theory!) I can go ahead and look at ordering hardware.
I'm familiar enough with my existing ATA after going through a couple of VoIP providers and having to figure out all the configs, but if I get hold of the AG310 perhaps someone here could give me just the tiniest bit of help getting that sorted ;)

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I'm surprised I still have my sanity!

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#224317 12-Jun-2009 12:33

sbiddle: The ATCOM IP04 is a standalone box that runs embedded Linux and runs Asterisk on top with a GUI. You end up with a very small and reasonably priced PBX unit that offers most of the same features you get running Asterisk on a PC.

Just to clarify, there's now the IP01, IP02, IP04, IP08 and (soon) IP-BRI which means if you don't need all four ports you can get one of the smaller units for a better price.

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#224319 12-Jun-2009 12:35

If you need help give me a call and I should be able to walk you through it.

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#224322 12-Jun-2009 12:39

This link should help out;

www.provu.co.uk/pdf/sipura/spa_backtoback_1x_spa3000_and_1x_spa1001.pdf

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#224324 12-Jun-2009 12:41

Biddle: that's a really big downside! If I can get it working for $80, the $700 for the IP04 or even $400 for an IP01 is pretty unjustifiable considering it's not a business solution and I only want a single line, and won't be using ANY VoIP providers, let alone multiple :D

It looks like a nice solution for someone who has the budget and needs the features though :)
Thanks for the info on setup - doesn't sound any harder than what I've had to go through already!

I'll let you all know when (and if) it's working so you can file it as a solution.

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no cellphone reception
no UHF TV reception
no ADSL

I'm surprised I still have my sanity!

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#224325 12-Jun-2009 12:44

It depends what you define as working and how much your time is worth :)

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#224342 12-Jun-2009 13:13

hads: It depends what you define as working and how much your time is worth :)

lol - $12.50/hour if you ask my boss!

Seriously, I'm happy to spend the time to get it to the point where I can make and receive calls. Anything's better than the current high-latency, 50c/min service I currently have :S

Ah, the idyllic rural life . . .

no cellphone reception
no UHF TV reception
no ADSL

I'm surprised I still have my sanity!

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