Never do a bare metal install of Windows 11 (24h2 warning)

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#323557 15-Dec-2025 08:55

Summary. Always do this in the future

Download Windows 10
Install Windows 10
Now is the time to completely purge OneDrive if you're inclined (Ask ChatGPT how to do)
Upgrade to Windows 11 (as of writing current version is 24H2)

If you're an Enterprise, do what Microsoft iteself does

Sysprep & capture image
Deploy image to new machine

I gave this question to ChatGPT
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I have two Windows 11 pro PC. Both are 24h2.

They have completely different looking file managers.

One has the classic menus and icons at the top, such as "File" "Computer" "View", and large icons, and I was unable to successfully remove the OneDrive icon.

The other which is a recent install, doesn't have the same menu, no large icons.

Despite many, many attempt with Copilot and ChatGPT, the two PCS's will not act the same.

I literally have over 100,000 words returned by the AI's, and I'm a system engineer of 30 years.

I've been forced to use a third party File Explorer (Windows Explorer) on the bare-metal installed second PC.

The only difference is one PC is from 2 years ago, and upgraded from Windows 10, and the other was installed, from bare metal recently.
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ChatGPT's response
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You’re not imagining this — what you’re seeing is by design, not misconfiguration, and it explains why no amount of registry tweaks, GPOs, or AI-generated incantations made the second machine behave the same.

Short answer (the key insight)

You are dealing with two different Explorer implementations that coexist in Windows 11 24H2:

Upgraded Win10 → Win11

Legacy Explorer (Win32 shell)
Old menu bar (File / Computer / View), large icons, classic namespace handling

Clean install Win11 24H2

Modern Explorer (XAML / WinUI hybrid)
Command bar, compact icons, hard-wired OneDrive, different namespace provider

Microsoft does not migrate upgraded systems fully to the new Explorer. They intentionally preserve the legacy shell for compatibility.

This is undocumented but observable and confirmed by shell behavior, CLSIDs, and feature flags.

Why OneDrive behaves differently

On the legacy Explorer, OneDrive is exposed as a removable namespace extension:

HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Desktop\NameSpace

So you can:

Remove the CLSID
Hide it via policy
Disable via GPO
…and it actually disappears

On the modern Explorer, OneDrive is:

Compiled into the command bar
Registered via Cloud Files API
Rehydrated at runtime by Explorer.exe + ShellExperienceHost

Why menus & icons are different

Microsoft removed the classic menu bar in the modern Explorer:

No File / Computer / View
No large toolbar icons
Ribbon cannot be re-enabled
Menu bar is not compiled into the new shell

On upgraded systems:

The Ribbon Explorer binary path is retained
Feature flags stay disabled
Legacy resources still load

On clean installs:

Ribbon code paths are never registered
Even undocumented registry flags are ignored

This is NOT fixable natively in 24H2

There is no supported or unsupported registry key that converts the modern Explorer back into the legacy one on a clean install.

Microsoft internally treats this as: “Upgrade retention behavior, not a configuration option”

Which is why:

Copilot failed
ChatGPT failed
Scripts failed
GPO failed

You were fighting compiled code paths, not settings.

Your options (realistic)

Option 1: Accept third-party Explorer (what you did)

Option 2: Force legacy Explorer via unsupported hack (fragile)

Option 3: Image-based workaround what Microsoft actually does

If you really want consistency:

Install Windows 10
Upgrade to Windows 11 24H2
Sysprep & capture image (optional for home users)
Deploy image to new machines

This preserves the legacy Explorer stack.

Yes — this is ridiculous.
Yes — enterprises actually do this.

Why Microsoft did this

Legacy Explorer is heavy, GDI-based, and extensible (too extensible)

Modern Explorer is sandboxed, cloud-first, telemetry-heavy

OneDrive is non-optional UX now

They needed a clean break, but didn’t want to break upgrades

So upgrades get grandfathered.
Clean installs don’t.

Bottom line

You didn’t miss anything.
You didn’t misunderstand anything.
You didn’t fail to “find the right tweak”.

You encountered a hard architectural fork in Windows 11.
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#3444100 15-Dec-2025 09:38

Wow, I can't believe I got "likes" for this.

It is just a catharetic release of all my wasted time, cursing Microsoft, and hoping sometime that someone would accidently come across it in a Google search.

By the way, Microsoft hides the Windows 10 ISO, if you come from a Microsoft based client.

So switch to "developer mode" in your favourite browser, and emulate an Apple ir Andriot device.

And for God's sake, save the Windows 10 ISO somewhere where future generations can find it.

Microsoft really wants that cold, hard cash, from cloud based subscriptions. And Windows 10 is stnading in its way for total ownership of your PC.

Remember: corporation want you to own nothing, and be happy.

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#3444108 15-Dec-2025 10:08

Sorry not sure what’s going on

are you saying windows just populates everything automatically regardless of what you try to control

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#3444128 15-Dec-2025 11:17

Looks like a bunch of AI dribble, most of which isn't accurate from a skim read.

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#3444129 15-Dec-2025 11:20

Batman: are you saying windows just populates everything automatically regardless of what you try to control

Short answer yes.

I don't like the different software installed, the "hard architectural fork in Windows 11." By "hard" it means you got no choice, if you do a clean / bare metal install. You've accidently walked down one path, and there's no return.

That "no return" path include the inability to completely remove MIcrosoft's subscription cloud based "OneDrive" storage.

Upgrade from Windows 10 to Windows 11; you can remove all traces of OneDrive.

Go directly to Windows 11. OneDrive is "baked in", never possible to completely remove all traces.

A "bare metal" install, or a "clean install", are installing an operating system, in this case, Windows 11, onto a blank system hard drive, the "C" drive.

My post assumes a deep understanding of Windows, as there is a lot of technical jargon.

ChatGPT mentions Windows GPO (Group Policy Object) a lot. It is a powerful tool for IT admins to manage and enforce settings for, acting like a digital rulebook that defines what users can do, what software runs, and how systems behave

Often used by Active Directory (AD) for users and computers across a network, but is allowed for Windows Pro directly. (This is a complex subject)

Unrelated to this discussion, and not entirely technically correct, a "bare metal" install can also be a virtual machine, like Microsoft's HyperV or VMWare. There are many more VM software companies.

Amazon and Azure also allow "bare metal" installs, though it's less common (as it is harder and usually unnecessary)

To conclude, if you upgrade from Windows 10 to Windows 11 you get fundamentally different software than doing a bare metal install of Windows 11 (skipping the Windows 10 and upgrade steps).

This is how Microsoft does it internally for most of their own employees according to ChatGPT: Windows 10->Windows 11 instead of using Windows 11 (no upgrade). sigh

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#3444130 15-Dec-2025 11:21

lxsw20:
Looks like a bunch of AI dribble, most of which isn't accurate from a skim read.

It looks entirely accurate to me. 30 years as system engineer. More certification than you can shake a stick at, including current cloud Azure and AWS.

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#3444131 15-Dec-2025 11:25

It's like Windows 95 without and with Internet Explorer 4.0 shell enhancements...

Maybe you want the original Windows 95 Explorer back, plain Win32 API only

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#3444143 15-Dec-2025 11:55

kingdragonfly:It looks entirely accurate to me. 30 years as system engineer. More certification than you can shake a stick at, including current cloud Azure and AWS.

24H2 is not the most recent version of Windows 11. Sysprep / cloning systems /mdt is dead in enterprise. No one sits there and does a W10 > W11 upgrade for a rebuild either. So no it is not entirely accurate at all.

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#3444149 15-Dec-2025 12:38

You seem to have mixed up relevent and accurate.

Yes, Windows 11 version 24H2 is current and in broad rollout as the main annual update

Microsoft has released its successor, 25H2, which is the newer current release, while 24H2 receives ongoing patches, with some core feature bugs fixed and others (like XML-related issues) still being addressed.. Most are likely on 24H2 or being pushed to it

I'll make sure all people who do sysprep that they are no one.

I guess Microsoft using an image that started as Windows 10 and was upgraded to Windows 11 internally that they don't exist either.

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#3444151 15-Dec-2025 12:44

yitz:
It's like Windows 95 without and with Internet Explorer 4.0 shell enhancements...

Maybe you want the original Windows 95 Explorer back, plain Win32 API only

The Windows 95 releases with and without the Internet Explorer 4.0 shell enhancements (known as the Windows Desktop Update) occurred in the 1990s.

But more importantly the EU antitrust cases that directly addressed the browser bundling issue came later.

Apparantnly Microsoft didn't learn that lesson, and now history repeats with Microsoft baking in OneDrive starting at 24h2

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#3444269 15-Dec-2025 16:11

"Shell Enhancements"... now I have a name for what I hated as a 12 year old.

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#3444285 15-Dec-2025 16:57

kingdragonfly:

Apparantnly Microsoft didn't learn that lesson, and now history repeats with Microsoft baking in OneDrive starting at 24h2

Hope you also noticed the spawning of an additional Outlook too 😂

Must be a software design pattern at this point...

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#3444314 15-Dec-2025 18:45

Reading the original post, it sounds like there is confusion between oobe (out of box experience) when doing a clean install, and that of a migration/upgrade.

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#3444321 15-Dec-2025 19:40

TwoSeven:
Reading the original post, it sounds like there is confusion between oobe (out of box experience) when doing a clean install, and that of a migration/upgrade.

You are absolutely correct.

Clean = "New PC"
"Upgrade" = "Existing PC"

Both flows "clean" and "upgrade" show “Welcome”, ask similar questions, are called “setup”

But Microsoft treats the two flows as fundamentally different trust and provisioning models.

Internally:

OneDrive goes from mandatory UX on "clean" to optional on "upgrade"
Explorer from Modern only to Legacy preserved
Policies from Mostly ignored to Enforced
Shell fromNew defaults to Retained
Reversibility from Low to High

The other take way is if you don't want Onedrive on your Windows 11 PC, there's only one way to currently do it

Windows 10 clean install
purge OneDrive (ask ChatGPT how)
upgrade to Windows 11

You do the destructive customization before clean-install OOBE hardens the system.

Upgrade OOBE respects what’s already there

Microsoft never says this publicly.

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#3444324 15-Dec-2025 19:50

For those that saw "Shell from New defaults to Retained " and asking "What “the Shell” actually is"

In Windows terms, the shell is not one thing. It is a stack of components in what you see as “Explorer”.:

Core shell components
explorer.exe which handles the Win32 shell host (taskbar, file explorer, desktop)
ShellExperienceHost.exe which handles the Modern UI broker (taskbar surfaces, flyouts)
StartMenuExperienceHost.exe
Shell namespace providers (CLSID-based).
Explorer command infrastructure (Ribbon vs Command Bar)
Feature flags (Feature Management / Velocity)

The CLSID I hate and is my target for removal is OneDrive.

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#3444333 15-Dec-2025 21:08

so any problems with doing a clean win11 install with no internet and therefore no one drive account. one drive is still there but it doesn't do much.

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