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Topic # 32849 25-Apr-2009 10:20
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For those of you who have not caught up with the latest yet, the RC build has been leaked, reportedly by a Microsoft employee (believe what you wish).

I'm about to install it on my HTPC.  I have all weekend to back it out back to build 7000 (which I'm currently running) if something isn't quite right...

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Reply # 209161 25-Apr-2009 10:22
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What I seriously don't understand is what guarantees you have that downloading something from a Torrent won't be infested with keyloggers, trojans and other malware that would be installed on your PC even before you can install an antivirus?







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  Reply # 209169 25-Apr-2009 10:39
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Ahh, you responded even faster than I thought Mr Frietas. :p

Well I guess that's what makes life interesting.  Not everyone understands the same things.

This is the first time I've done this (downloaded a Win 7 leak).  And not much harm can be done as it won't be going on my main PC.

Live a little!

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 209171 25-Apr-2009 10:40
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Then again if you're just using it on a non-networked PC to check out the feature set - who really cares if it's infested?

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Reply # 209173 25-Apr-2009 10:41
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gehenna: Then again if you're just using it on a non-networked PC to check out the feature set - who really cares if it's infested?


Oh, yes... You trust all your users to be tech savvy, smart people, right?







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  Reply # 209175 25-Apr-2009 10:43
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I guess I do care if it is infested, but the risks are low.  Therefore I'm willing to give it a chance.

Plus I'm getting my tonsils out on Wednesday so will be lying low in pain for the next couple of weeks.  I don't know if I'll be up to messing around with this sort of stuff in the state I'll be in...



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  Reply # 209176 25-Apr-2009 10:45
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freitasm: Oh, yes... You trust all your users to be tech savvy, smart people, right?


Why don't I feel that welcome around here...

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  Reply # 209177 25-Apr-2009 10:52
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That's what digital signatures are for.  :) 

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Reply # 209178 25-Apr-2009 10:54
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Satch:
freitasm: Oh, yes... You trust all your users to be tech savvy, smart people, right?


Why don't I feel that welcome around here...


Hmmm? I don't understand the reference?

If this is clean, great. No one can guarantee this though, and a lot of people will download and install it anyway, without taking in consideration that  it could be infected.

So the potential results could be

a) it's not infected and it works ok
b) it's infected and the malware is part of a botnet, keylogger or trojan
c) it's infected with a badly written malware that causes system crashes so people complain the OS itself is buggy

You, me and a lot of people will know that it would be better to install on a standalone PC, not connected to your network. But this is not practical. You will possibly need to download drivers, software and data. That's when it's connected to your LAN. Not practical doing it via USB sticks...

As for digital signatures... There are ways around.







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  Reply # 209179 25-Apr-2009 11:00
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freitasm:
Satch:
freitasm: Oh, yes... You trust all your users to be tech savvy, smart people, right?


Why don't I feel that welcome around here...


Hmmm? I don't understand the reference?

If this is clean, great. No one can guarantee this though, and a lot of people will download and install it anyway, without taking in consideration that  it could be infected.

So the potential results could be

a) it's not infected and it works ok
b) it's infected and the malware is part of a botnet, keylogger or trojan
c) it's infected with a badly written malware that causes system crashes so people complain the OS itself is buggy

You, me and a lot of people will know that it would be better to install on a standalone PC, not connected to your network. But this is not practical. You will possibly need to download drivers, software and data. That's when it's connected to your LAN. Not practical doing it via USB sticks...

As for digital signatures... There are ways around.



I understand the risks, and I appreciate you pointing them out for me and others.

I guess after all this time I am prepared to take the risk finally.  Am doing that just now....

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  Reply # 209181 25-Apr-2009 11:01
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Like it or not, downloading a pre release is still piracy, and as freitasm said you don't know if its clean or not, it could have malware, keyloggers etc coded into it. This is why I am sticking with build 7000 that officaly got released from microsoft

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  Reply # 209182 25-Apr-2009 11:01
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I know what your saying Mauricio, but suprisingly enough the pirate community is very good at blacklisting the torrents with spyware and viruses in them and I've downloaded the last three Win7 builds from there with very good results...

I'll remember to say your right when I get bitten, which I'm sure will happen eventually.

Now if you'll excuse me I'm off to get Win7 RC1. A life changing download.

No more XP SP3 + 600MB of patches and hours of reboots.




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  Reply # 209185 25-Apr-2009 11:11
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boby55: Like it or not, downloading a pre release is still piracy, and as freitasm said you don't know if its clean or not, it could have malware, keyloggers etc coded into it. This is why I am sticking with build 7000 that officaly got released from microsoft


Yep, I hear ya.  And I have been so good to stick with build 7000 up until today.  I've got the weekend to myself (the missus is away) and it is a perfect time to install the RC NOW.

The piracy comment is an interesting point though.  Strictly speaking I guess it is piracy.  But there has been so much speculation (yes purely speculation) around that Microsoft have been strategically leaking key builds for both extended testing and increased publicity (which is working extremely well by the looks of it!).

Someone did a geoipthingamarather on the person who leaked the RC torrent yesterday and it pointed to the address of a Microsoft Office in the US.  Believe what you want, but I like the idea...Wink

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  Reply # 209197 25-Apr-2009 11:29
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freitasm:
gehenna: Then again if you're just using it on a non-networked PC to check out the feature set - who really cares if it's infested?


Oh, yes... You trust all your users to be tech savvy, smart people, right?




Hell no, I don't trust users at all.  But if a genuinely technically proficient person who understands risks/costs/benefits wants to download software illegally and try it out on a non-networked PC with no expectation of performance and only to check the feature set, who am I to pass judgement.  If they get caught there's courts in place for that.  

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