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Topic # 8236 14-Jun-2006 17:38
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I just got my laptop back and installed Vista Beta 2 CPP.. the install went well, up to the point where IIRC asking for user's information. I presume when reaching this stage, Vista is fully installed. However the screen is unreadable... it is almost like the resolution is set too high or something... I have ATI Mobility Radeon 9200 (yes i know it's not WDDM, since it is not DX9, only DX8.1) with 1680x1050 LCD.

Anyhow, I cannot make any sense from the display as it is completely distorted look. just like strips of scanlines that you seen in CRT days with resolution set beyond the display can handle...



Does anyone seen or heard such behaviour?




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  Reply # 38525 14-Jun-2006 17:44
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I also have tried F8 and Booting with VGA (640x480) and seems like it is having a fit.. now nothing is showing on screen.... hmm.. (driver issue?)

Next stop, "safe mode"




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  Reply # 38540 14-Jun-2006 19:24
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Ok Safe mode works fine... but whenever going into full mode (either VGA or normal) it will die on getting into full GUI.

While when in Safe Mode, it seems like the AGP controller (Intel 82855PM Processor to AGP Controller - 3341) has yellow exclamation mark.

this is the message:

This device cannot find enough free resources that it can use. (Code 12)

If you want to use this device, you will need to disable one of the other devices on this system.

Click 'Check for solutions' to send data about this device to Microsoft and to see if there is a solution available.



however, using "Check for solutions" isn't achieving anything..


Help?





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  Reply # 38553 14-Jun-2006 20:56
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Officially you really should log a bug against Vista beta2 for this

In the meantime, could you copy the file from %windir%\Panther\UnattendGC\setupact.log and email it to me.  From the symptoms, it sounds like there isn’t an inbox device driver for your display, so OOBE is forced to set the display very low due to only the Standard VGA driver being available. There is currently already a bug to bump this to use 640x480 16bit instead of 800x600 8bit color.




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  Reply # 38555 14-Jun-2006 20:59
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Nathan. i don't think i am the only one with this problem.

another guy in microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices (Topic: Intel 82852/82855 has 0MB of memory on Windows Vista) - Kastigeer [brsmith(at)nildram.co.uk] posted this:

I have an older HP NX7000 that I've been using for testing Vista, it's been
fine up till now, but in beta 2 the pci-agp bridge (82855PM - 3341) cannot
find enough resources to start and this effectively kills the video.

The graphics card (an ATI Radeon Mobility 9200) is therefore never detected
and unless I disable the 82855PM or boot to safe mode I just end up with a
black screen (I guess when it tries to start it wrecks things a bit).

So I end up with poor graphics performance (not that I'd get Aero anyway!)
running under vgssave...

I guess this is an intel driver problem but I don't expect to get any fix
anytime soon ... sigh ... oh well



I would put log a bug but i can't remember where to log it




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  Reply # 38560 14-Jun-2006 21:15
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I tried the suggestion from that post, disabling AGP controller seems to work. I can get into Vista normal withouth Aero Glass. however the display driver is not optimal, it is using VgaSave.




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  Reply # 38917 18-Jun-2006 22:15
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Possibly found a solution.

Together with a guy from UK (Barry) whom has the same problem on his 82855PM based notebook with Mobility Radeon 9200 chip. I think his model is nx7010 model, where are mine is x1030AP.

Anyhow... he suggested that using RDP and update the Radeon 9000 driver to the latest one that can be found for XP. It worked for him, and i second the solution. It works on mine too.


So here's the breakdown of the steps:

1) Create a new administrator account with password, or put password on your primary account (administrator).
2) Enable Remote Access (via Safe Mode).
3) Make sure the laptop is accessible through network, worthwhile to give a static IP, or record down the IP address. Also worthwhile to remember the computer name if you have Dynamic IP.
4) Reboot the laptop and leave it connected to the network.
5) Use an XP RDP Client, and access Vista's Remote Access.
6) Connect without username/password from XP RDP Client, and when on Vista's "Welcome Screen" logon with appropriate details.
7) View Device Manager, making sure that System devices > Intel 82855PM Processor to AGP Controller - 3341 is enabled. Check Display Adaptor > Radeon 9000 is installed.
8) Right-click on Radeon 9000 and update the driver manually with the INF from XP driver.
9) Reboot
10) Voila!


Note:
Make sure you have the latest XP driver for Mobility Radeon 9200, in my case, I got mine from HP's site. Extracted to a folder or removable drive for use in step 7 above.



Alternative solution without using WDDM 82855PM AGP Controller:

Prior to the above solution, Barry suggested trying to get past the "black screen" with using Safe Mode to disable 82855PM AGP Controller in Device Manager. That worked but you don't get the optimised driver and display is fixed maximum at 1280x1024. On my 1680x1050 displaying 1280x1024 is FUGLY! Anyhow,  if you are currently tolerate with this solution, you can try the above solution by making sure Remote Access is enabled, and AGP controller is enabled too. Then follow steps from step 3 onward.




Good Luck to those who are suffering this issue, this works for Barry and me. We hope it will work for you all too for the time being, until Microsoft/Intel has solved the problem.







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  Reply # 39402 23-Jun-2006 00:51
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chiefie: Possibly found a solution.

Together with a guy from UK (Barry) whom has the same problem on his 82855PM based notebook with Mobility Radeon 9200 chip. I think his model is nx7010 model, where are mine is x1030AP.

Anyhow... he suggested that using RDP and update the Radeon 9000 driver to the latest one that can be found for XP. It worked for him, and i second the solution. It works on mine too.


So here's the breakdown of the steps:

1) Create a new administrator account with password, or put password on your primary account (administrator).
2) Enable Remote Access (via Safe Mode).
3) Make sure the laptop is accessible through network, worthwhile to give a static IP, or record down the IP address. Also worthwhile to remember the computer name if you have Dynamic IP.
4) Reboot the laptop and leave it connected to the network.
5) Use an XP RDP Client, and access Vista's Remote Access.
6) Connect without username/password from XP RDP Client, and when on Vista's "Welcome Screen" logon with appropriate details.
7) View Device Manager, making sure that System devices > Intel 82855PM Processor to AGP Controller - 3341 is enabled. Check Display Adaptor > Radeon 9000 is installed.
8) Right-click on Radeon 9000 and update the driver manually with the INF from XP driver.
9) Reboot
10) Voila!


Note:
Make sure you have the latest XP driver for Mobility Radeon 9200, in my case, I got mine from HP's site. Extracted to a folder or removable drive for use in step 7 above.



Alternative solution without using WDDM 82855PM AGP Controller:

Prior to the above solution, Barry suggested trying to get past the "black screen" with using Safe Mode to disable 82855PM AGP Controller in Device Manager. That worked but you don't get the optimised driver and display is fixed maximum at 1280x1024. On my 1680x1050 displaying 1280x1024 is FUGLY! Anyhow, if you are currently tolerate with this solution, you can try the above solution by making sure Remote Access is enabled, and AGP controller is enabled too. Then follow steps from step 3 onward.




Good Luck to those who are suffering this issue, this works for Barry and me. We hope it will work for you all too for the time being, until Microsoft/Intel has solved the problem.




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  Reply # 39403 23-Jun-2006 00:53
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I seem to be encountering the same problem with my compaq nx7010 but i dont know how to use remote assistance
is it possible u can help me out?



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  Reply # 39411 23-Jun-2006 07:56
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it's not remote assistance, it is remote desktop.

look in vista's help on how to get remote desktop setup, and also refer to the instruction above on how to best set up too.

let me know what have you done from above's steps. :-) then i'll guide you through the rest the best i can.




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  Reply # 39558 25-Jun-2006 09:11
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COMPAQ NX7010

Thanks chiefie

I finally managed to fix it but its annoying when i try to play movies it uses all my cpu power or atleast 85% of it
plus my wirless dosnt work anymore
neither does my touchpad on my laptop and no drivers are avaliable online for the hardwear.
Vista Beta is the worst operating system ever iv heard of betas with bugs but this is the worst

it might look good visually but in theory using it can give u a really big headache
Also i tryed to connect it to my xbox 360, guess what vista is an american version so it dosnt work with my uk based xbox360
im going back to windows xp its way more stable than vista for the time being, For people wanting vista my opinion is DONT GET IT, Just wai until the full version comes out in 2007, 
u may think its ok but eventually u realise that some of ur hardware dosnt support vista. Unfortunatly i didnt listen to anyone and downloaded it anywayCry



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  Reply # 39559 25-Jun-2006 09:18
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well glad that helped you a bit Eyecyus.

AS mentioned in MS's site, it is a BETA and one should not use it as a production system.

If you want a stable working production OS, so far Windows XP is the latest Windows from Mcirosoft.




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  Reply # 41838 17-Jul-2006 13:31
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I have found that this is a very easy fix.

1/ Make sure you have the latest Radeon Drivers from the Manufacturer.

2/ Attatch an external monitor to the laptop.

3/ Start up computer, screen will go black on laptop but not on external monitor.

4/ When in Vista goto Device Manager, Display adaptor, Update Driver (manual install browse folder)

System will ask to re-boot, remove external monitor and hey presto Mobile Radeon working in Vista.

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  Reply # 42219 22-Jul-2006 10:30
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I wanted more settings in the vista drivers for ati. So I installed the omega drivers but after that I couldn't boot my system, removed all the ati drivers with the professional driver cleaner and now I can't install microsofts vista's default video drivers for my ati mobile 9000.

Where can I find the microsoft drivers ?

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  Reply # 42783 29-Jul-2006 07:21
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Ok I have tried all you guys said but it seems that i dont get the good driver (inf files) from hp website because I still have that black screen on my laptot (x1010ca) please can anyone send me their driver or link to one known as good

thanx

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