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#565664 7-Jan-2012 09:28

This man is a genius. This is science. Not pseudo-science, or surprise with natural events covered in a "let's burn the witches" sauce.

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#565666 7-Jan-2012 09:37

freitasm: Interesting discussion on Fark today about conspiracy theorists.

The first couple of replies set the tone. Someone that actually watch "Ancient Aliens" and believe that?

Going by this link, I must be the crazy paranoid person? ^^^

I enjoy a good debate. As for the guy having a full-on go at labled: "Conspiracy believers" on FARK.com, Has he actually checked the amount of Fluouride that's found in America's water system recently? "On to Local News" ---> Me and my girl can literally smell the Chlorine from our kitchen sink - it's outrageous. (Crazy enough to have a beautifull gal am I?

) I'm guessing the Chch council haven't followed up on that one yet?

And I like what he said about the CIA - The exaggeration in his idea was a tad extreme . Although I immediately assumed straight away that he's never heard of MK-ULTRA??

I'm definitely aware of the far fetched ideas put out there and it doesn't take much on this site to get the tone going. People exchange different ideas, it's Chemistry - Although that's what science would say.

Mauricio I have a question for you - What theory in Ancient Aliens is it you don't believe?

This will get interesting...

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#565675 7-Jan-2012 09:44

All of it.

Could be that life on Earth got a kickstart when some biological matter (either DNA, RNA or even bacterias)? Possible, no evidence yet.

Could be that intelligent extraterrestrial lifeforms landed on Earth to "manage" life? If humans were intelligent enough to actually do the things they claim were done "under supervision", then they should be smart enough to hold records.

There isn't a single evidence that tells us extraterrestrial life forms visited the planet and mingled with natives. Not a single piece of transport method, not a single piece of clothing.

Those guys on Ancient Aliens see a dusty square hole full of dirty on the ground and shout "interdimensional travel"...

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#565684 7-Jan-2012 10:13

As for the video I posted, It may very well could have been an earthquake light, but very little is known about this phenomena... Science to this day, has not conducted thorough research about this very rare occurrence. I'm scepitcal about the idea of it being an earthquake light because the military are capable of staging this kind of false-flag terrorism.

The amount of truth lacking from 9/11 has created a lot of controversy. There are still case's that have not been answered to this very date & the 9/11 Truth Movement has over 1.5 million followers. Are we saying that that's over a million deranged people? No. I cannot question human faith but it exists and I cannot state that those 1.5 million people are "paranoid" or deranged especially when you look at the broader side of the spectrum. They are not movie stars or global bankers or politicians or Lady Gaga, they are the people/massess/uninitiated trying to find the truth.

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#565690 7-Jan-2012 10:49

freitasm: All of it.

Those guys on Ancient Aliens see a dusty square hole full of dirty on the ground and shout "interdimensional travel"...

Fair enough, some ideas seemed quite radical even to me. But what if it wasn't "Ancient Astronaut Theory" - What if people made contact with celestial beings? I mean Earth has had a vast and long history compared to human years has it not?

I read a while back earlier on this thread that you were a Freemason but are not anymore if that is correct? There philosophy dates back over 500 years. I find it interesting that they use masonic mosaic pavements in their lodges? And the "Twin Pillars" Boaz & Jachin? They have a lot of celestial meaning.

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#565697 7-Jan-2012 11:12

They don't have "celestial" meanings. They have "philosophical" meanings, an allegory (I will save people looking for dictionaries: "Allegory is a demonstrative form of representation explaining meaning other than the words that are spoken")

Also, once a Freemason, always a Freemason. I am not attending lodges anymore, but whatever I got from them is still here...

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#565708 7-Jan-2012 11:33

freitasm: They don't have "celestial" meanings. They have "philosophical" meanings, an allegory (I will save people looking for dictionaries: "Allegory is a demonstrative form of representation explaining meaning other than the words that are spoken")

Also, once a Freemason, always a Freemason. I am not attending lodges anymore, but whatever I got from them is still here...

Okay well why then for "Philosophical" reasons do the Freemasons have a vast understanding on Egyptology and the mysterious connection between Sirius & Human History.

A better example of a celestial deity known in freemasonry would be the infamous "Baphomet"

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#565709 7-Jan-2012 11:36

EQL has also been covered in the NZ Herald, observed during the Christchurch sequence.

Skolink: Quake lights. Cool. Was talking to a relative of my wife last week, and he is investigating various phenomena asociated with earthquakes. One thing I handn't considered was the possibility of the piezoelectric effect, due to a high percentage of quartz in the rocks, and the massive change in compression forces.

I like the p-hole semiconductor mechanism theory. It has been demonstrated in non-quartz rocks.

The lead proponent of this mechanism is Friedemann Freund (CV), a NASA physicist.

"Earthquake-related luminous phenomena (also known as earthquake lights) may arise from (1) the stress-activation of positive hole (p-hole) charge carriers in igneous rocks and (2) the accumulation of high charge carrier concentrations at asperities in the crust where the stress rates increase very rapidly as an earthquake approaches. It is proposed that, when a critical charge carrier concentration is reached, the p-holes form a degenerated solid state plasma that can break out of the confined rock volume and propagate as a rapidly expanding charge cloud. Upon reaching the surface the charge cloud causes dielectric breakdown at the airrock interface, i.e. corona discharges, accompanied by the emission of light and high frequency electromagnetic radiation"

The abstract above is from a different paper, but here is one available online.

This is a magazine overview of his work:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seti-institute/life-at-the-seti-institut_b_887497.html

He explains many of the concepts in detail in this video lecture:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2ZwR9Dxbmo

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#565713 7-Jan-2012 11:49

MTV occultists perhaps?

Other than that they certainly like the philosophy behind it.

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#565717 7-Jan-2012 12:04

gzt:

"Earthquake-related luminous phenomena (also known as earthquake lights) may arise from (1) the stress-activation of positive hole (p-hole) charge carriers in igneous rocks and (2) the accumulation of high charge carrier concentrations at asperities in the crust where the stress rates increase very rapidly as an earthquake approaches.

Didn't the 7.4 magnitude quake hit off the coast of the Miyagi Prefecture where the video was taken?

How would that work?

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#565719 7-Jan-2012 12:09

cgrew: MTV occultists perhaps?

That's an ad for music TV station. The marketing people will use any image that may appeal to their audience. That says a lot about their audience.

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#565738 7-Jan-2012 12:47

freitasm:
cgrew: MTV occultists perhaps?

That's an ad for music TV station. The marketing people will use any image that may appeal to their audience. That says a lot about their audience.

I'd argue that that says a lot about the MTV Music station? You only have to look at the video to know that it's somewhat too artificial, processed and calculated.

What audience's are these that enjoy this? I've shown numerous people over the past 12 months this clip & the results towards this advert were negative. And not only that, there is a direct reference to the symbolism used in the CIA's MK-ULTRA Mind Control program - That's a tad disturbing...

I personally think the advert is repulsive.

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#565751 7-Jan-2012 13:22

cgrew:
gzt:

"Earthquake-related luminous phenomena (also known as earthquake lights) may arise from (1) the stress-activation of positive hole (p-hole) charge carriers in igneous rocks and (2) the accumulation of high charge carrier concentrations at asperities in the crust where the stress rates increase very rapidly as an earthquake approaches.

Didn't the 7.4 magnitude quake hit off the coast of the Miyagi Prefecture where the video was taken??

How would that work?

The location of the discharge is not necessarily the epicenter of the quake event. There are many variables - geological formations, type of stress, ionospheric conditions, etc.

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#565758 7-Jan-2012 13:37

cgrew: And not only that, there is a direct reference to the symbolism used in the CIA's MK-ULTRA Mind Control program - That's a tad disturbing...

A while ago I watched quite a few videos on MK-ULTRA and a guy with a stupid weapon that was like an architects stencil or something. I think it was when that movie Men Who Stare at Goats came out. Anyways cgrew, I don't think we have much to worry about there. I'd say they will have given up on that complete waste of time and money, that a deluded few managed to get funding for. A religious cult within the US military basically. A nasty one at that.

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#565767 7-Jan-2012 14:11

Skolink: I'd say they will have given up on that complete waste of time and money, that a deluded few managed to get funding for. A religious cult within the US military basically. A nasty one at that.

A theory is that MK-ULTRA was the continuation of Operation Paperclip. And it makes sense too - post WW2 it was a rush for the American Government to get hold of the Nazi Scientist's before their ememies did. Or Russia in particular.

I personally think Monarch Mind Control is on-going today. The symbolism & techniques used are relevant in today's media. Especially in the entertainment industry, It's just cloaked under Gradualism.

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