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#1373725 25-Aug-2015 11:42

Fred99:

Would you dispute that much of what we call "morality" is based on suppressing *innate behaviour?

* I've said innate, but feel free to substitute with original sin or whatever else you like to explain why people without rules or morals trend to run amok.

I'm not denying what you are saying. But my opinion of the majority of the human race leans more towards the good than the evil.
We have already discussed that nobody here is suppressing anything. There is a difference between having a view on whats moral, and forcing your morals on someone else. Forcing morals does not have its place anymore.

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Public executions - in the past and where still practiced now - are terrifically popular events. Please don't tell me that people flock to witness these with the intent to be miserable or complacent.

It's a dark side of human nature (IMO) that we should be aware of and act against.

Where these public executions have happened, have they really been about the dark side of the human race? Or have they been about a bigger evil? Ie. Witnessing Justice maybe?

IMO People don't flock to executions (And I don't believe they ever have), to glee at death. Sure there are the extremes, but I am talking about the majority of people. It does not matter where you are from, your religion, or even your upbringing. Chances are its human nature to help, be good, be kind, rather than show violence (or glee to see it). Innocent child being hurt? People will mostly help, it does not matter what child it is. Why? Because I like to believe people are focused more on whats good, than whats evil. Thats my opinion of human nature.

Anyway, back to flocking to public executions etc.. Yes it happens. But maybe the real question is Why?

Because even though these things are evil, people may have justified them as good.
Do some reading into the Salem witch trials. Terrible things were done to these people (witches) in public. Were people flocking and eager to witness these brutal killings? Of course they were. But all of those people really believed they were witnessing the killings of real witches. So were these people evil? Or were the witches evil? Were they displaying a dark side of the human race, or were they maybe just confused about what they were doing? I have thought this over many times in the past. It comes down to whats good and evil. Is there really such a thing?

Another question then. Innate behavior, or human nature. Is it good or evil. And what defines it?
Your human nature may be different to mine. Is it an absolute?

Edit: Another example. Mob justice.
Where the rules of law disappear, why do these mobs form? They take justice into their own hands. People are afraid of these mobs. They murder people who rape, kill children etc. Are they evil? Or are the good? Dark side of human nature? Or the good side?

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#1373737 25-Aug-2015 12:03

joker97: Where do you find the emails list?

Careful republishing it. I heard on the news someone say (wish I could remember who) that people can get in trouble for re-publishing hacked material.

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#1373783 25-Aug-2015 12:41

DizzyD:
Fred99:

Would you dispute that much of what we call "morality" is based on suppressing *innate behaviour?

* I've said innate, but feel free to substitute with original sin or whatever else you like to explain why people without rules or morals trend to run amok.

I'm not denying what you are saying. But my opinion of the majority of the human race leans more towards the good than the evil.
We have already discussed that nobody here is suppressing anything. There is a difference between having a view on whats moral, and forcing your morals on someone else. Forcing morals does not have its place anymore.

I don't know. I just spent more than 20 years of my life child-rearing. I suppose you could say much of that involves "teaching" moral values - probably some fine lines there, teaching in an empowering sense - so that they can think to make a moral choice when faced with a situation where you don't know any specific "rule", teaching "rules" - which seems to always involve some forcing of moral values, then some absolutely fundamental cases where force must be imposed and choice must be removed. When you have a 2YO biffing wooden blocks straight at the head of another 2YO, you need to act - not begin a discussion.
Sure, humans are social creatures, perhaps leaning more toward "good" than "evil". But I don't know - most of us I suspect are capable of either, sometimes wear a black hat and a white hat.

However, those hackers were definitely wearing black hats.

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#1373784 25-Aug-2015 12:42

Tcam478:
joker97: Where do you find the emails list?

Careful republishing it. I heard on the news someone say (wish I could remember who) that people can get in trouble for re-publishing hacked material.

Scaremongering at it's best.

At worst they could pursue you for copyright infringement (as they are trying to do currently with DMCA notices) , and you'd have a very strong defense against that.
See http://motherboard.vice.com/read/can-ashley-madison-claim-copyright-on-its-hacked-user-data

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#1373807 25-Aug-2015 13:01

surfisup1000:
joker97: i'm not sure about people being happy or joyous, but they are not sad.

OK, you challenged me :)

I started to read through all the posts, 2nd page was this one...

I hope some people get nailed by this. 100% deserved, zero sympathy.

Seems pretty gleeful to me. Although, I wonder if this poster had really thought through all of the consequences.

... check page 13 or 14, I guess someone who knew him took exception to his comments (either here or somewhere else he has had the same opinion) and signed him up for Ashley Madison. He then said he "deleted" the account, which I thought was meant to be a portion of the complaints, that accounts were not really deleted.

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#1373845 25-Aug-2015 13:41

michael001:
surfisup1000:
joker97: i'm not sure about people being happy or joyous, but they are not sad.

OK, you challenged me :)

I started to read through all the posts, 2nd page was this one...

I hope some people get nailed by this. 100% deserved, zero sympathy.

Seems pretty gleeful to me. Although, I wonder if this poster had really thought through all of the consequences.

... check page 13 or 14, I guess someone who knew him took exception to his comments (either here or somewhere else he has had the same opinion) and signed him up for Ashley Madison. He then said he "deleted" the account, which I thought was meant to be a portion of the complaints, that accounts were not really deleted.

That was the voluptuous wasabi2k, not joker97. I somehow doubt that any of his credit/debit card details would have been entered. That said, AM are denying they stored card details although I think their credibility is not quite all it could be.

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#1373868 25-Aug-2015 14:06

Dratsab:
michael001:
surfisup1000:
joker97: i'm not sure about people being happy or joyous, but they are not sad.

OK, you challenged me :)

I started to read through all the posts, 2nd page was this one...

I hope some people get nailed by this. 100% deserved, zero sympathy.

Seems pretty gleeful to me. Although, I wonder if this poster had really thought through all of the consequences.

... check page 13 or 14, I guess someone who knew him took exception to his comments (either here or somewhere else he has had the same opinion) and signed him up for Ashley Madison. He then said he "deleted" the account, which I thought was meant to be a portion of the complaints, that accounts were not really deleted.

That was the voluptuous wasabi2k, not joker97. I somehow doubt that any of his credit/debit card details would have been entered. That said, AM are denying they stored card details although I think their credibility is not quite all it could be.

People who have looked at the raw data seem to confirm what AM are saying.

Each transaction listed has the a timestamp (tracked to the nearest minute), the last four digits of the credit card, the "brand" of card (VI for Visa, MC for Master Card, AM for American Express, DI for Discover), the reported amount of the transaction, the full name (presumably legit for billing purposes) and email address associated with the card, and several columns of other information we currently can't discern.

But of course if your credit card was hacked, you can sort that out painlessly and in private through a phone call to your bank - recovery is simple.
Recovering your reputation - that's a different story.

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#1374247 25-Aug-2015 21:56

Bad things are starting to happen. This is not good for anyone at all and can only hurt innocent families. Personally I suspect the 'hackers' motives are not what they are said to be.

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#1374287 25-Aug-2015 23:35

Er... John McAfee:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/john-mcafee-ashley-madison-database-stolen-by-lone-female-who-worked-avid-life-media-1516833

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#1374295 25-Aug-2015 23:59

freitasm: Era... John McAfee:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/john-mcafee-ashley-madison-database-stolen-by-lone-female-who-worked-avid-life-media-1516833

That's interesting.

If it turns out to be true, then the obvious question is who manufactured the story about the group of hackers.

Of course John McAfee is also an interesting character in his own right.

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#1374297 26-Aug-2015 00:14

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned?

PS i actually wrote this after reading the first paragraph!

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#1374366 26-Aug-2015 08:29

I believed that for a while - could have been as long as few seconds.

Then it dawned on me that it didn't present one fact, and was written by a paranoid psychotic mathematician who apparently has some rather questionable personal habits.

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#1374511 26-Aug-2015 10:44

A long time ago, when I was working in an Australian office of a large American IT services company, I worked on a project that involved travelling to the corporate headquarters five times, for two weeks at a time, over the course of a year. Some US-based employees were seconded to the project full time, and some had relocated to the HQ from their home town for the duration. I met one such lady whose husband had stayed home as they had school-aged children whose lives they didn't want to disrupt. She told me that they had had a long serious conversation about the possibility of infidelity while they were apart and had accepted that it might happen and had set some ground rules.

I also know personally of one couple who came to an arrangement after one partner had a serious accident.

These choices were theirs to make. It's not my place to judge them as I have never been in their situations.

So similarly, if someone registers with a website offering hook-ups, it's none of my business. It doesn't matter whether they are married or not, whether their partner knows or not, or whether they are actively seeking some kind of relationship or are looking at the site for research. Unfortunately, many people will take some kind of "moral high ground" and tar all Ashley Madison's users with the same brush, with no understanding of their motives or circumstances. I'm not sure what the hackers hope to gain from releasing this data, but my criticism is aimed at the hackers (and AM's business practices).

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#1374707 26-Aug-2015 15:27

I've been Duncan Garnered! In the last two days my Hotmail has been bombarded by emails offering me opportunities for all sorts of dubious conduct. I don't ever recall signing up for Ashley Maddison but maybe, just maybe years ago I created a profile just to have a look at the site...I honestly can't remember. Definitely would not have provided a credit card. Could be a coincidence but something tells me its linked. Why am I getting emails from 'hotmama694u' now though? Weird.

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#1374745 26-Aug-2015 16:50

AM desperate for new customers? I'm assuming it is from AM? But in any case it will not be long before every spammer will add the addresses.

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