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#1023959 12-Apr-2014 13:52

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My dad has a house in the country between Whangarei and Dargaville. He gets 55Mbp/s on VDSL.

I don't even need VDSL... I'd settle for uncongested backhaul from the exchange. Sure, it would be nice have the option of DSL2... but being able to sustain the actual line speed (a mere 5Mbps) at the time I want to use it would be brilliant.

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#1023991 12-Apr-2014 14:27

SaltyNZ: The economy runs on the back of the farms in this country. Why shouldn't they be the first to benefit?

Great, so should all them farmers getting truckloads of cash from the likes of Fonterra be expected to pay if they want fast internet? Or are you saying that the taxpayer should pay for it?

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#1024002 12-Apr-2014 14:50

DarthKermit:
SaltyNZ: The economy runs on the back of the farms in this country. Why shouldn't they be the first to benefit?

Great, so should all them farmers getting truckloads of cash from the likes of Fonterra be expected to pay if they want fast internet? Or are you saying that the taxpayer should pay for it?

Last time i checked the majority of our tax payers live in the CITY

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#1024005 12-Apr-2014 14:58

DarthKermit:
SaltyNZ: The economy runs on the back of the farms in this country. Why shouldn't they be the first to benefit?

Great, so should all them farmers getting truckloads of cash from the likes of Fonterra be expected to pay if they want fast internet? Or are you saying that the taxpayer should pay for it?

The taxpayer should pay for it. That's kind of the point of taxes -- everybody contributes so that everybody benefits. Otherwise, I'd stop paying taxes for welfare because I have a job, healthcare because I have private insurance, and so on.

As for the fat payouts from Fonterra: that's not 'free money' you know. That's what they get paid for doing their job, raising dairy cattle.

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#1024037 12-Apr-2014 16:23

"but would often slump to below 1mbps"

honestly, if I could get that speed where I live, I would be happy.

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#1024038 12-Apr-2014 16:25

bakewells5856: "but would often slump to below 1mbps"

honestly, if I could get that speed where I live, I would be happy.

july or so though remember...

somewhat lucky.. :c

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#1024039 12-Apr-2014 16:31

SaltyNZ:
DarthKermit:
SaltyNZ: The economy runs on the back of the farms in this country. Why shouldn't they be the first to benefit?

Great, so should all them farmers getting truckloads of cash from the likes of Fonterra be expected to pay if they want fast internet? Or are you saying that the taxpayer should pay for it?

The taxpayer should pay for it. That's kind of the point of taxes -- everybody contributes so that everybody benefits. Otherwise, I'd stop paying taxes for welfare because I have a job, healthcare because I have private insurance, and so on.

As for the fat payouts from Fonterra: that's not 'free money' you know. That's what they get paid for doing their job, raising dairy cattle.

I am pretty sure now that tax payer money doesnt go towards the Copper network.

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#1024065 12-Apr-2014 17:07

I am pretty sure now that tax payer money doesnt go towards the Copper network.

No, the annual TSO payment does, which is merely a tax with another name.

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#1024073 12-Apr-2014 17:40

SaltyNZ:
I am pretty sure now that tax payer money doesnt go towards the Copper network.

No, the annual TSO payment does, which is merely a tax with another name.

OK, Good to see it spent on upgrading backhauls and enabling ADSL2+ and VDSL2 on rural exchanges. Bumma the internet gods dont favor that township of 25 people.

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#1024076 12-Apr-2014 17:49

I've just spent 2 years living in "Third World Country". They have good Internet. Please don't insult "Third World Country". ;-)

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#1024111 12-Apr-2014 19:28

TimA:

OK, Good to see it spent on upgrading backhauls and enabling ADSL2+ and VDSL2 on rural exchanges. Bumma the internet gods dont favor that township of 25 people.

But that's exactly my point. Chorus is a business, Vodafone is a business ... 2degrees is a business. Businesses for profit. If it was left up to for-profit businesses then 30% of the population, who are unprofitable, wouldn't have basic services at all. That's why it should be provided by the taxpayer. Taxes are there precisely to ensure that everyone has access to everything they require. In the 21st century, that includes broadband.

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#1024136 12-Apr-2014 20:05

SaltyNZ:
I am pretty sure now that tax payer money doesnt go towards the Copper network.

No, the annual TSO payment does, which is merely a tax with another name.

So the TSO pays for the Rural DSL upgrades, and also pays for Vodafone to construct the RBI towers - paid for by the industry (or by the other mainstream ISP's. However it does not appear that any of the mainstream ISP's offer a service over the wireless RBI, but they all offer service over the RBI DSL.

I understand that its does not make a lot of difference for the ISP's to offer RBI DSL as opposed to normal UBA DSL, but it does seem a bit strange that none of the mainstream RSP's (well apart from Vodafone of course) offer RBI wireless, even though its a regulated product presumably designed for wholesale.

I guess my point is I wonder if the lack of competition on wireless RBI is causing the higher data caps? anyone know why its not widely available from the big providers? (they are after-all contributing to its construction!)

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#1024158 12-Apr-2014 20:48

pchs:I guess my point is I wonder if the lack of competition on wireless RBI is causing the higher data caps? anyone know why its not widely available from the big providers? (they are after-all contributing to its construction!)

I think that we shal not get into discussion about the noise floor and the limited bandwidth that the airwaves can carry. The Conklins were designed when people had a 1GB data cap a month. Now people use them with 200GB a month and expect to use it all. RBI is optimal from 10-50GB a month. Now people expect to use 500GB a month on them or what ever you will see huge congestion.

The Conklins never got slower. people use more. Once up on a time they put Conklins in the city.

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#1024162 12-Apr-2014 20:56

pchs:
I guess my point is I wonder if the lack of competition on wireless RBI is causing the higher data caps? anyone know why its not widely available from the big providers? (they are after-all contributing to its construction!)

I'm presuming you mean lower data caps, not higher?

As I've already posted above the RBI product is a regulated offering that has some pretty strange things in it which are dictated by the Commerce Commission.

It also does deliver 30GB at what I consider a reasonable price - and ~30GB is still around what the average NZ xDSL user is consuming. The fact there are now people wanting several hundred GB plus plans also goes to show how many low users there are if ~30GB still remains the average.

Wireless is a finite resource that always need to be priced at a premium over fixed line services.

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#1024166 12-Apr-2014 20:58

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Wireless is a finite resource that always need to be priced at a premium over fixed line services.

Not just a premium but need to be maintained to the certain level to ensure quality over quantity. Otherwise its just a wireless Conklin.

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