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Topic # 143356 11-Apr-2014 23:40
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Honestly, this: http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/9930935/Third-world-internet-shocks-residents


The area they're referring to does indeed have quite a few Conklins but they're also covering very few people so the group complaining will likely be a few people all wanting fast broadband without having to move or go with a Wireless solution.

They should be happy about actually having a lifestyle with some sort of internet other than dialup. I think the biggest gripe is the whole "third world" thing, it was not long ago when Dialup was normal and the fact newspapers are now calling being on a Conklin news.




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  Reply # 1023720 11-Apr-2014 23:49
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HAHAHA... i WISH i got 3mbits 'goat track' speed and my neighbourhood is 65+ houses

on a lighter note... we ar getting COPPER lines REinstalled as after 3 months of testing, Chorus have deemed the 50yr old copper here to be deficient (after numerous dropouts and phone line issues over the last 2 years) but as the rest of the country goes fibre... we get (possibly even recycled - though unlikely) copper put in :(

I was so excited when the chorus truck full of green pipes was spotted up the road... till i saw the diameter of the pipes *sigh* and only 5km's away, Glenbrook Steel Mill have fiber lines too :(

feel free to run me a 3.5mb "goat track" out here anytime!

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  Reply # 1023747 12-Apr-2014 00:59
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Peter reader forgot to say: "Here we go again"
"His home is one of 25" Chorus is a business. Not a charity, How would that economically sustain a $100,000+ upgrade?
Just another pleb who lives remotely and expects that they will be on a network of a city calibre. Maybe they should go live in the outback and really feel what its like to have "internet"
O BTW, I wonder if they have heard of RBI. The scheme that will be replacing all these old Conklins.


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  Reply # 1023790 12-Apr-2014 07:16
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They should be happy about actually having a lifestyle with some sort of internet other than dialup..

 For sure.

I lived in a small town for a while, doing PC work for a lot of rural people.
There were loads with no access to Woosh Wireless and no broadband at all.

The options were satellite or dialup.  As quite a few were sharemilkers (who move regularly) satellite wasn't practical due to the installation hassle.

Look up Duke St, Ngapara as well, for instance.......no Woosh, no broadband.

In certain places - past Drumoak in Southland  for instance, dialup is abysmal too.
One place it was so bad they couldn't even use their fax, it was so slow the fax couldn't cope.

They got satelitte and as they needed the faxes, had their son in Gore scan the  faxes which they arranged to be sent to him, then email them to them to get around the problem.

When I lived there (in the small town) we had broadband, around 1mbps......but hey, I had broadband, so I sure wasn't complaining.


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  Reply # 1023823 12-Apr-2014 09:38
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Typical media beat up that emphasises negativity and BS over reality. 

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  Reply # 1023831 12-Apr-2014 09:45
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I'd wager those who compare nz to a third world country won't have lived in one...
You don't no how  lucky you are .

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  Reply # 1023849 12-Apr-2014 10:13
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TimA:
"His home is one of 25" Chorus is a business. Not a charity, How would that economically sustain a $100,000+ upgrade?



True. They should be lucky they have a phone or electricity at all.

In other news, that's what $1B government run national infrastructure projects should be about. Giving modern services to people who would otherwise be unprofitable, rather than giving a couple of extra sets of modern services to those who already have a wide choice available to them.




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  Reply # 1023850 12-Apr-2014 10:15

150,000 / 25 = $6k. I dont see a good ROI there

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  Reply # 1023863 12-Apr-2014 10:31
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SaltyNZ:
TimA:
"His home is one of 25" Chorus is a business. Not a charity, How would that economically sustain a $100,000+ upgrade?



True. They should be lucky they have a phone or electricity at all.

In other news, that's what $1B government run national infrastructure projects should be about. Giving modern services to people who would otherwise be unprofitable, rather than giving a couple of extra sets of modern services to those who already have a wide choice available to them.


True, and I'm relatively certain that the $1 government run national infrastructure project will get to them.  Just that right now, it hasn't.  And to bring forward that upgrade would probably cost Chorus real money (and some media beatup about not delivering on Fibre installs).

I'm gonna be honest, the media beatup of Chorus is getting tiring.  No, they're not all that saintly, but they aren't going out killing puppies like the Herald would have us believe.

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  Reply # 1023865 12-Apr-2014 10:33
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TimA: O BTW, I wonder if they have heard of RBI. The scheme that will be replacing all these old Conklins.


I will comment on the behalf of JohnR "Working as designed"



on the other hand... having looked into the RBI, do you think YOU could exist on 15Gb/month (used to be 10Gb)for $90 - or "double" up for another $20 to get a 'whopping' 30Gb? not counting the $99 (24 months) to $699 (no contract) install cost....

and that's even IF you can get it... the map says I can, but i have to go 100m up the road to even get signal on my phone, so NO... RBI is/was outdated before it even got going properly.


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  Reply # 1023876 12-Apr-2014 10:57
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PhantomNVD:
TimA: O BTW, I wonder if they have heard of RBI. The scheme that will be replacing all these old Conklins.


I will comment on the behalf of JohnR "Working as designed"



on the other hand... having looked into the RBI, do you think YOU could exist on 15Gb/month (used to be 10Gb)for $90 - or "double" up for another $20 to get a 'whopping' 30Gb? not counting the $99 (24 months) to $699 (no contract) install cost....

and that's even IF you can get it... the map says I can, but i have to go 100m up the road to even get signal on my phone, so NO... RBI is/was outdated before it even got going properly.



Phone coverage isn't an indication of coverage. RBI uses an external antenna which has around 20dB more gain than your phone.

The average NZ internet user is still only consuming somewhere in the vicinity of 30GB per month. To me the price above is an affordable price to the average NZ internet user. I know I sound like a stuck record posting this continually, but if you don't like the wireless RBI pricing then complain to the Commerce Commission. They set the wholesale pricing for this regulated offering.

I also strongly disagree that wireless RBI is "outdated". What do you think the solution should be? Wireless is the only solution for the ~10% of the population who will be outside copper UFB/copper/RBI copper coverage areas. Current DC and logical LTE upgrades for these customers means they do get a high quality offering but simply can't expect to be paying the same price as an urban user.






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  Reply # 1023883 12-Apr-2014 11:20
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PhantomNVD:
TimA: O BTW, I wonder if they have heard of RBI. The scheme that will be replacing all these old Conklins.


I will comment on the behalf of JohnR "Working as designed"



on the other hand... having looked into the RBI, do you think YOU could exist on 15Gb/month (used to be 10Gb)for $90 - or "double" up for another $20 to get a 'whopping' 30Gb? not counting the $99 (24 months) to $699 (no contract) install cost....

and that's even IF you can get it... the map says I can, but i have to go 100m up the road to even get signal on my phone, so NO... RBI is/was outdated before it even got going properly.



Is it now?
Much understanding on how the scheme works.
Thats a data cap. Not the technology. CoffeeBaron knows of some providers who offer upwards of 50GB. But you will be paying for it.
The reality is. You in the country expect to get a service equal to those on the city. If i had the option of RBI or dial up. I am pretty sure 99% of sane people will know what boat to jump on. 
My dad has a house in the country between Whangarei and Dargaville. He gets 55Mbp/s on VDSL.




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  Reply # 1023902 12-Apr-2014 12:01
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PhantomNVD:
TimA: O BTW, I wonder if they have heard of RBI. The scheme that will be replacing all these old Conklins.


I will comment on the behalf of JohnR "Working as designed"



on the other hand... having looked into the RBI, do you think YOU could exist on 15Gb/month (used to be 10Gb)for $90 - or "double" up for another $20 to get a 'whopping' 30Gb? not counting the $99 (24 months) to $699 (no contract) install cost....

and that's even IF you can get it... the map says I can, but i have to go 100m up the road to even get signal on my phone, so NO... RBI is/was outdated before it even got going properly.



Many of our RBI customers seem to cope ok within their data caps. Yes, we would love to provide RBI services with high data caps but in all honesty, we have little demand for that. We can and do provide higher caps for some customers who want them and use that flexibility to help rural families who have offspring and visitors arrive for holidays and use more data than normal, as well as the few users who need that a higher than usual amount of data.

The Commerce commission in their infinite wisdom have allowed Vodafone to impose data caps on the wholesale connections to retailers so within the wholesale cap we can sell data relatively cheaply but if we want to sell a high data cap plan we end up paying a penalty to Vodafone for doing so. If newspaper correspondents or contributors to this forum want to whinge about the RBI, have a whinge about that. 

In fact RBI has been a godsend to many rural living people, allowing them to migrate off satellite broadband to a much cheaper broadband plan that works with less latency and higher average data throughput. And have a search for providers, we don't all charge expensive installations, monthly charges or ridiculously high data overage fees.

We have at least one enquiry a week from people who choose to live in rural areas and then can't get to terms with their internet options. Yes, we know RBI is more expensive, No, it's not in our plans to build a Wifi access point worth many thousands of dollars just to service a few customers (the reason we don't is the same reason Chorus won't). We also know our satellite plans are expensive. Funnily enough its never farmers or long term rural dwellers we have this debate with- its invariably people who 'fancy' living in the country. If internet price and speed is that important then all I can say is, complain to your MP. perhaps the government might take pity and pay the two big telcos to build a solution. Oh, that's right- they did.

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gwh:  If internet price and speed is that important then all I can say is, complain to your MP. perhaps the government might take pity and pay the two big telcos to build a solution. Oh, that's right- they did.


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why move to such places if you want super fast internet? you always have trade offs in your choices in life.




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sbiddle: 

The average NZ internet user is still only consuming somewhere in the vicinity of 30GB per month. To me the price above is an affordable price to the average NZ internet user. I know I sound like a stuck record posting this continually, but if you don't like the wireless RBI pricing then complain to the Commerce Commission. They set the wholesale pricing for this regulated offering.



But the whole point of a national fibre infrastructure is that that is going to change. I have a 150GB plan and I'm right on it every month, because I use it for Netflix and Hulu instead of Sky. If it didn't slow down to just barely 1Mbps every night during peak time I'd probably be over. There's no way a 30GB RBI plan with a target speed of just slightly less than the DSL 1 it replaces - which is what I am scheduled to be 'upgraded' to, in a couple of years - is going to cut it.



I also strongly disagree that wireless RBI is "outdated". What do you think the solution should be? Wireless is the only solution for the ~10% of the population who will be outside copper UFB/copper/RBI copper coverage areas. Current DC and logical LTE upgrades for these customers means they do get a high quality offering but simply can't expect to be paying the same price as an urban user.


The solution is to spend the $1B putting in fibre to rural properties. No, it's not profitable, once you include the installation costs. Installing the existing POTS and electrical power cables isn't profitable either. That's why the government is throwing money at it. The economy runs on the back of the farms in this country. Why shouldn't they be the first to benefit? The suburbs and the inner city can already get DSL2+, VSDL, fibre, three different cellular services and multiple fixed wireless solutions. They don't really need a national infrastructure project like the rural population does.




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