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  #1415299 28-Oct-2015 10:11
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No problems with beer being available in a burger bar

And most definitely no problems with alcohol sales from a supermarket

Govt needs to get itsellf out of my life and give my responsibility for my own voices and actions



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  #1415301 28-Oct-2015 10:13
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networkn:
HowickDota:
networkn:
kobiak: I'm not sure about now, but few years back, All McDs in Europe that I went (in Andorra, Spain, South France) server beer.

So what's the problem? Can't kiwis manage a pint with a burger? really?


No they can't! We do not drink well in this country, we have ongoing problems with impulse control as it relates to alcohol and with intake moderation.

Europe have a fairly different drinking culture and whilst they are not immune to drinking to excess it's certainly not the problem it is in the South Pacific.


Both France and Spain have a higher rate of episodic drinking and alcohol related mortality than New Zealand.


Proof please? I'll be surprised if that turns out to be true, but even if it is, does that mean we should follow suit?


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  #1415306 28-Oct-2015 10:18
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Let's just hope that they employ waitresses that can work out tips without a calculator!



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  #1415316 28-Oct-2015 10:34
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wasabi2k: Let's just hope that they employee waitresses that can work out tips without a calculator!


LOL. We don't tip in NZ, they are safe!

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  #1415317 28-Oct-2015 10:34
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I don't see how it could be a problem.

Wendy's never seemed like a place I would like to hang out, it would be nice to have a beer with a burger but I doubt most people would buy a second one.

Also, I doubt the managers will sell to anyone who is even slightly intoxicated as they know they will be under lots of scrutiny.

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  #1415320 28-Oct-2015 10:36
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HowickDota: 
Both France and Spain have a higher rate of episodic drinking and alcohol related mortality than New Zealand.


Britain's favorite holiday destinations. Makes sense actually.

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  #1415321 28-Oct-2015 10:38
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networkn:
wasabi2k: Let's just hope that they employee waitresses that can work out tips without a calculator!


LOL. We don't tip in NZ, they are safe!


Actually. Nothing wrong with tipping in NZ.
I do it when I'm impressed with the service. But saying that, I'm hardly ever impressed. 

 
 
 

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  #1415327 28-Oct-2015 10:42
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graemeh: I don't see how it could be a problem.

Wendy's never seemed like a place I would like to hang out, it would be nice to have a beer with a burger but I doubt most people would buy a second one.

Also, I doubt the managers will sell to anyone who is even slightly intoxicated as they know they will be under lots of scrutiny.


Heh ever seen a Wendy's when it's busy? Little to no chance of them even having time to come from behind the counter let alone check people for intoxication. 

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  #1415336 28-Oct-2015 10:49
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DizzyD:
HowickDota: 
Both France and Spain have a higher rate of episodic drinking and alcohol related mortality than New Zealand.


Britain's favorite holiday destinations. Makes sense actually.


Yes, the rates of consumption are reduced when tourist consumption is factored in but this is true for pretty much all countries irrespective of whether they are popular British holiday destinations or not.

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  #1415347 28-Oct-2015 10:50
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I think it will be in the populations best interest to rather serve beer with BurgerFuel.

What about Hooters? I heard some time back that there was a possibility that they would be opening here too. I guess the PC brigade will be up in arms about that too. 

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  #1415356 28-Oct-2015 11:05
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I come from Europe and I have heard about France's drinking problem but have never witnessed it. Same with Spain. I have never encountered public drunkenness or out-of-control crowd binge drinking behaviour as happens every weekend here. It does happen in Amsterdam whenever Ajax wins the World Cup or Swedes visit, but it is not a regular occurrence. There is a real difference between European drinking culture and what happens here, but I do not know why. Europeans are generally fairly relaxed about alcohol, adolescents can buy it in shops without ID checks, people are generally moderate or at least hidden in their consumption without repressive measures or alcohol-free zones, you can get a beer with your hamburger at any snack bar. I know alcohol used to be sold here from locked cabinets during very restricted hours and later there was the six o'clock swill. My feeling (no evidence) is that the history of alcohol control and near-prohibition American-style made it something to covet and consume to excess when available and that history still governs attitudes today. It is the same with drugs. Official attitudes towards cannabis are nothing less than hysterical and as a result we have the highest per capita cannabis consumption in the world. 





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  #1415360 28-Oct-2015 11:12
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I cannot see the point, there should be some places one can take children without the risk of boozed up patrons. There is no need to sell this at every venue and every event, surely people can go for an hour without drinking booze.

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  #1415365 28-Oct-2015 11:17
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MikeB4: I cannot see the point, there should be some places one can take children without the risk of boozed up patrons. There is no need to sell this at every venue and every event, surely people can go for an hour without drinking booze.


This exactly! It's amazing to me the number of people who don't seem able to enjoy food without alcohol, or go without alcohol for a day or two. 

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  #1415366 28-Oct-2015 11:18
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Rikkitic: I come from Europe and I have heard about France's drinking problem but have never witnessed it. Same with Spain. I have never encountered public drunkenness or out-of-control crowd binge drinking behaviour as happens every weekend here. It does happen in Amsterdam whenever Ajax wins the World Cup or Swedes visit, but it is not a regular occurrence. There is a real difference between European drinking culture and what happens here, but I do not know why. Europeans are generally fairly relaxed about alcohol, adolescents can buy it in shops without ID checks, people are generally moderate or at least hidden in their consumption without repressive measures or alcohol-free zones, you can get a beer with your hamburger at any snack bar. I know alcohol used to be sold here from locked cabinets during very restricted hours and later there was the six o'clock swill. My feeling (no evidence) is that the history of alcohol control and near-prohibition American-style made it something to covet and consume to excess when available and that history still governs attitudes today. It is the same with drugs. Official attitudes towards cannabis are nothing less than hysterical and as a result we have the highest per capita cannabis consumption in the world. 



Two weeks in Italy also didn't see a single drunken incident.


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  #1415390 28-Oct-2015 11:28
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networkn:
Rikkitic: I come from Europe and I have heard about France's drinking problem but have never witnessed it. Same with Spain. I have never encountered public drunkenness or out-of-control crowd binge drinking behaviour as happens every weekend here. It does happen in Amsterdam whenever Ajax wins the World Cup or Swedes visit, but it is not a regular occurrence. There is a real difference between European drinking culture and what happens here, but I do not know why. Europeans are generally fairly relaxed about alcohol, adolescents can buy it in shops without ID checks, people are generally moderate or at least hidden in their consumption without repressive measures or alcohol-free zones, you can get a beer with your hamburger at any snack bar. I know alcohol used to be sold here from locked cabinets during very restricted hours and later there was the six o'clock swill. My feeling (no evidence) is that the history of alcohol control and near-prohibition American-style made it something to covet and consume to excess when available and that history still governs attitudes today. It is the same with drugs. Official attitudes towards cannabis are nothing less than hysterical and as a result we have the highest per capita cannabis consumption in the world. 



Two weeks in Italy also didn't see a single drunken incident.



In Germany parents take there kids to the pubs. Everyone well behaved. Booze freely available from nearly anywhere, including all restaurants.

Never witnesses an incident. Youth also much more respectful towards adults. 

Here in NZ we try teach our kids drinking is bad (dont do it!), instead we should be teaching our kids how to drink responsibly (they going to be doing it anyway). its no different to anything else really. Anything out of moderation is bad, not just alcohol. 



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