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#3122751 1-Sep-2023 18:27

Tuna and eels? I don't think one species of deep sea fish have been affected by an inland pollution spill on the same day. Perhaps they're referring to tuna, the te reo word for eels. So that should be "eels and eels have been affected by a toxic wastewater spill."

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#3122753 1-Sep-2023 19:06

TinyTim:

Tuna and eels? I don't think one species of deep sea fish have been affected by an inland pollution spill on the same day. Perhaps they're referring to tuna, the te reo word for eels. So that should be "eels and eels have been affected by a toxic wastewater spill."

I'm over this fascination our media have with dropping te reo into articles and the leaving the reader wondering what it was they were trying to say. When I see this in an article I switch off and move on to the next one.

On a side note if someone greets me in te reo in an email I respond with a Gaelic greeting.

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#3122766 1-Sep-2023 19:34

Technofreak:

I'm over this fascination our media have with dropping te reo into articles and the leaving the reader wondering what it was they were trying to say. When I see this in an article I switch off and move on to the next one.

What I don't understand is why kids wearing something that mimics [American] Indian headdress on Halloween is cultural appropriation, but arbitrarily taking words isn't.

Surely, if you're communicating in one language, you should stick to that language? English convention is to italicise unfamiliar foreign words, so not only is it [in my opinion, which I have a right to] offensive to swap words out when there are perfectly good English words for the job, but basic conventions are ignored even when they do so.

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#3122770 1-Sep-2023 20:02

There's a government department whose website, on first launch, explicitly asks which language you want it to use. If you pick Maori, you get Maori. If you pick English, you get English with Maori interspersed. Frankly I find that sort of thing rude.

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#3122772 1-Sep-2023 20:08

Behodar:
There's a government department whose website, on first launch, explicitly asks which language you want it to use. If you pick Maori, you get Maori. If you pick English, you get English with Maori interspersed. Frankly I find that sort of thing rude.

Every government department is in a competition with every other one to show they can virtue signal harder than anyone else. Them's the rules.

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#3122773 1-Sep-2023 20:09

Technofreak:
On a side note if someone greets me in te reo in an email I respond with a Gaelic greeting.

"Pogue mahone, and top o'the morning to yer!".

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#3122778 1-Sep-2023 20:37

neb:
Technofreak:

On a side note if someone greets me in te reo in an email I respond with a Gaelic greeting.

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#3122787 1-Sep-2023 21:59

SirHumphreyAppleby:

English convention is to italicise unfamiliar foreign words, so not only is it [in my opinion, which I have a right to] offensive to swap words out when there are perfectly good English words for the job, but basic conventions are ignored even when they do so.

Except te reo Māori is not foreign, is it? Is an official language in New Zealand, with English and NZ Sign Language.

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#3122788 1-Sep-2023 22:05

Behodar:

If you pick English, you get English with Maori interspersed. Frankly I find that sort of thing rude.

Yeah, how dare anyone incorporate any other language into their own.

Oh wait, that is what has been happening to most languages, including English.

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#3122790 1-Sep-2023 22:08

freitasm:

SirHumphreyAppleby:

English convention is to italicise unfamiliar foreign words, so not only is it [in my opinion, which I have a right to] offensive to swap words out when there are perfectly good English words for the job, but basic conventions are ignored even when they do so.

Except te reo Māori is not foreign, is it? Is an official language in New Zealand, with English and NZ Sign Language.

I think you will find that only Maori and NZ Sign Language are official languages. English is not.

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#3122791 1-Sep-2023 22:13

@SheriffNZ:

freitasm:

SirHumphreyAppleby:

English convention is to italicise unfamiliar foreign words, so not only is it [in my opinion, which I have a right to] offensive to swap words out when there are perfectly good English words for the job, but basic conventions are ignored even when they do so.

Except te reo Māori is not foreign, is it? Is an official language in New Zealand, with English and NZ Sign Language.

I think you will find that only Maori and NZ Sign Language are official languages. English is not.

You might be thinking of the USA, where there isn't an official language at all. The MSD says New Zealand has three official languages. Also NZ Sign Language to be third official language | Beehive.govt.nz. And Speaking New Zealand English | NauMai NZ (studywithnewzealand.govt.nz).

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#3122792 1-Sep-2023 22:33

@freitasm
I may have misspoken. English doesn’t have statutory recognition. I appreciate the irony given this thread title, but here’s my source. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/101497027/analysis-why-english-does-not-need-to-be-made-an-official-language

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#3122793 1-Sep-2023 22:34

Behodar: There's a government department whose website, on first launch, explicitly asks which language you want it to use. If you pick Maori, you get Maori. If you pick English, you get English with Maori interspersed. Frankly I find that sort of thing rude.

I have not seen this. Do you have a link to the site you speak of?

You may be pleased to know Maori contains many English origin words. There are older words too in some cases. There's a great recording somewhere of Rawiri Waititi helping David Seymour out with some grammar and pronunciation in parliament. Waititi's love of Te Reo is clearly greater than any animosity Waititi might have for the ACT party.

Somewhere there is a website that generates English with all the Norman influences removed. It's a serious project because someone thought it would be interesting and a bit humourous. The funny thing is some people tried to do it for real in the 17th century. It didn't work out.

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#3122809 2-Sep-2023 00:50

Coming from Europe I can only react with bemusement to all the butthurt outrage expressed by some when they encounter a Māori word in a communiqué. Grow up people! It is not like a worm in your breakfast cereal.

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#3122827 2-Sep-2023 07:47

freitasm:

Except te reo Māori is not foreign, is it? Is an official language in New Zealand, with English and NZ Sign Language.

It is foreign to English... adjective: "of, from, in, or characteristic of a country or language other than one's own."

SheriffNZ:
English doesn’t have statutory recognition. I appreciate the irony given this thread title, but here’s my source.

I saw the other day that one of the political parties wanted to make English an official language. I didn't take much notice, but I'm guessing it was NZ First. I have no problem with it being explicitly made official, but it does seem a bit pointless.

This is all getting quite off topic. Can we please resume normal programming?

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