Is the Green Party the Communist Party in disguise?

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#1043293 13-May-2014 22:13

so... I voted conservative last time, what does this say I "should" vote this time anyway??

@eXDee - not all 'educated' people agree on ANYthing, and while 'highly' educated myself (and actually an educator too) I have very little stomach for politics... especially in a country which ignored it's own referendums, and legislates in spite of public opinion?

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#1043301 13-May-2014 22:33

I quite like the political compass test. Maybe we should have a GZers political compass results thread? Anyway, here's mine - and it's easy to see why I get into disagreements with some of the other posters

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#1043312 13-May-2014 22:47

my results and probably why i dont vote

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#1043314 13-May-2014 23:00

D1023319: Is Green the new Red

It occurred to me, most of the Green Party policies are very communist in nature.
They promote:
- Community transport, e.g. buses over fuel efficient private vehicles
- Community vege gardens
- No anti state asset sales
- Funny money policies, remember their print money scheme
- High density living = faceless uniform apartments
- State subsidies of all kinds

https://www.greens.org.nz/policy/full

What do you think?

I'd prefer they focused on policies such as:
- reduced packaging for goods
- encourage holidays in NZ and not overseas, etc

It's not a very good disguise. Sort of a Peter Sellers effort. All they did was call it Green instead of Red....

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#1043317 13-May-2014 23:10

I did the test too.

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#1043319 13-May-2014 23:19

JimmyH: Although they seem big on big government, intervention in how people live, and state control I wouldn't say that they are even close communist in the ordinarily accepted sense of the word.

Personally, I would have said that they are more of a hybrid - as if they came from a weird interbreeding of the British Labour party circa the Jim Callaghan era and the NZ Social Credit Party of the 70s, with an environmental veneer slapped over the top.

Detailed regulation of the economy - check
State ownership of the "commanding heights" of the economy - check
Manipulation of the currency - check
Business protection - check
Funny money financing of expenditure - check
Micro-management of people's lives - check
Suspicion of private enterprise - check
Support for increased regulation over most facets of lives (food choices, transport, etc) - check
Belief that they know better than individuals about what we should spend our money on (vehicles, housing etc) - check
Support for much higher taxes - check
I could live with the environmentalism. I could even vote for it. It's the belief in big interventionist government, and the dopey hard-left-wing economics that I could never go for.

Oh Lord - not the ghost of Callaghan, please!! I just recall the late 70's and the Winter of Discontent and my father's jubilation when Mrs Thatcher replaced him. If that's the sort of thing the Reds - sorry, Greens - will bring, I strongly advise against voting for them!

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#1043321 13-May-2014 23:24

So from this page GZ is mid right aligned? :)

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#1043324 13-May-2014 23:27

driller2000: re the political compass - the lack of a neutral option is deliberate and often used in surveys as it forces you to take a position and i think it is an entirely valid method at teasing out preferences.

This.

Seriously guys, what don't you get about the way the questions are asked?

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#1043328 13-May-2014 23:31

PhantomNVD: So from this page GZ is mid right aligned? :)

Not sure - looks like bunch of wet libertarians to me...! ;-)

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#1043329 13-May-2014 23:32

alasta: People I know who support the Green Party are mostly young people who feel hard done by and would otherwise be disillusioned with politics. I think they see an opportunity to even the score with their employers or their elders, but they don't entirely understand the implications of what they're voting for.

You know an interesting subset of Greens voters. In contrast almost all I know are 30+ professionals. Very negative view you've garnered of Green voters from your apparently very limited sample size.

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#1043331 13-May-2014 23:34

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alasta: People I know who support the Green Party are mostly young people who feel hard done by and would otherwise be disillusioned with politics. I think they see an opportunity to even the score with their employers or their elders, but they don't entirely understand the implications of what they're voting for.

You know an interesting subset of Greens voters. In contrast almost all I know are 30+ professionals. Very negative view you've garnered of Green voters from your apparently very limited sample size.

Personally I would say well over 50% of people voting don't entirely understand the implications of what they are voting for. You've met them - most of them don't seem terribly bright.

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#1043336 13-May-2014 23:41

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alasta: People I know who support the Green Party are mostly young people who feel hard done by and would otherwise be disillusioned with politics. I think they see an opportunity to even the score with their employers or their elders, but they don't entirely understand the implications of what they're voting for.

You know an interesting subset of Greens voters. In contrast almost all I know are 30+ professionals. Very negative view you've garnered of Green voters from your apparently very limited sample size.

Personally I would say well over 50% of people voting don't entirely understand the implications of what they are voting for. You've met them - most of them don't seem terribly bright.

Sadly I largely agree with that statement, but that's across the board and encompassing all parties voters. To characterise Green voters generally as ignorant and disillusioned malcontents is obviously inaccurate (just as it would be to cast negative stereotypes generally against voters of other parties).

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#1043341 13-May-2014 23:42

When I'm at desktop tomorrow I'll post my compass, when last I did it I was way more left than any of you guys.

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#1043347 14-May-2014 00:24

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alasta: People I know who support the Green Party are mostly young people who feel hard done by and would otherwise be disillusioned with politics. I think they see an opportunity to even the score with their employers or their elders, but they don't entirely understand the implications of what they're voting for.

A lot of my friends are young professionals and have business/economics degrees. Some were lucky enough to go straight into the highest tax bracket, yet vote left because they believe in creating a more equal society. The rich keep getting richer under nats, no one can try argue otherwise.

I fall into this category. I have voted for Green, while knowing I don't want them to run the country, but wanting them to have a greater influence in parliament and bring balance.

Alasta, I don't feel 'hard done by' or 'disillusioned with politics' at all. I'm concious of the fact that I am a white male in his 20's making a 6-figure salary and that part of the reason for that is privilege. With that privilege I feel a sense of responsibility to help ensure that others can have the same opportunities in life my 'privilege' has afforded me, and to ensure our country is run in a sustainable and responsible way.

I'm fully aware of the implications of what I am voting for. I've voted to the right in the past, and I may very well do in the future. I agree with elements of all the 3 main parties stance on various issues, and align my vote where I think the balance needs to come from. National have in many ways helped strength the economy, and I support many of their efforts there - BUT I also strongly oppose some of their less equitable policies, and just some of their attitudes, opinions and stances that make it clear what they (or at least some of them) really stand for, despite what popular policy they might have on the table today.

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#1043354 14-May-2014 02:02

D1023319: It occurred to me, most of the Green Party policies are very communist in nature.

I'm not sure how. None of the examples you gave come close to 'very communist'. Also, most were entirely inaccurate. Taking one example:

D1023319: They promote: - High density living = faceless uniform apartments

I think it's fair to say they recognise that high density living already exists, and will only increase. There are a fair number of fairly brutal faceless uniform apartments existing already and I doubt the Green Party feels any need to promote them.

https://www.greens.org.nz/policysummary/urban-policy-summary
https://www.greens.org.nz/policy/urban-policy-living-cities

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