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#1197845 15-Dec-2014 15:03

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SaltyNZ: According to these guys, terrorism deaths are as high as 10 people a year. Well... in some places. Not here. Actually, here there haven't been any. But still: 10 people a year, in places far far away. John Key, get right on that please. I'm so very frightened.

Or perhaps the laws could help stop people like this http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11374445 before they do things like take hostages?

Your nieve if you think it cant happen in NZ.

Let not jump to conclusions. Spying laws may very well have done nothing to stop today's events.

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#1197846 15-Dec-2014 15:04

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bigal_nz:
SaltyNZ: According to these guys, terrorism deaths are as high as 10 people a year. Well... in some places. Not here. Actually, here there haven't been any. But still: 10 people a year, in places far far away. John Key, get right on that please. I'm so very frightened.

Or perhaps the laws could help stop people like this http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11374445 before they do things like take hostages?

Your nieve if you think it cant happen in NZ.

Let not jump to conclusions. Spying laws may very well have done nothing to stop today's events.

head in sand has the same result

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#1197849 15-Dec-2014 15:07

bigal_nz:
SaltyNZ: According to these guys, terrorism deaths are as high as 10 people a year. Well... in some places. Not here. Actually, here there haven't been any. But still: 10 people a year, in places far far away. John Key, get right on that please. I'm so very frightened.

Or perhaps the laws could help stop people like this http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11374445 before they do things like take hostages?

Your nieve if you think it cant happen in NZ.

Surveillance laws aren't going to do squat, picking up (or stealing) a gun is easy, walking into any crowded building and taking people hostage is easy, doesn't matter what your cause or reasoning behind it is, and you dont need on grid methods to organise and co-ordinate it.

Surveillance laws are for controlling and monitoring the law abiding and ensuring the safety (power) of government (not the people). The sooner people realise they are nothing more than cash cow taxpayers serving an elite few and that these so called terrorist attacks (and associated media reporting \ fear engine tactics) are simple mechanisms to condition your thinking, the sooner you will truly be free.

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#1197850 15-Dec-2014 15:08

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bigal_nz:
SaltyNZ: According to these guys, terrorism deaths are as high as 10 people a year. Well... in some places. Not here. Actually, here there haven't been any. But still: 10 people a year, in places far far away. John Key, get right on that please. I'm so very frightened.

Or perhaps the laws could help stop people like this http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11374445 before they do things like take hostages?

Your nieve if you think it cant happen in NZ.

Surveillance laws aren't going to do squat, picking up (or stealing) a gun is easy, walking into any crowded building and taking people hostage is easy, doesn't matter what your cause or reasoning behind it is, and you dont need on grid methods to organise and co-ordinate it.

Surveillance laws are for controlling and monitoring the law abiding and ensuring the safety (power) of government (not the people). The sooner people realise they are nothing more than cash cow taxpayers serving an elite few and that these so called terrorist attacks (and associated media reporting \ fear engine tactics) are simple mechanisms to condition your thinking, the sooner you will truly be free.

bollocks.

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#1197857 15-Dec-2014 15:25

heylinb4nz:
bigal_nz:
SaltyNZ: According to these guys, terrorism deaths are as high as 10 people a year. Well... in some places. Not here. Actually, here there haven't been any. But still: 10 people a year, in places far far away. John Key, get right on that please. I'm so very frightened.

Or perhaps the laws could help stop people like this http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11374445 before they do things like take hostages?

Your nieve if you think it cant happen in NZ.

Surveillance laws aren't going to do squat, picking up (or stealing) a gun is easy, walking into any crowded building and taking people hostage is easy, doesn't matter what your cause or reasoning behind it is, and you dont need on grid methods to organise and co-ordinate it.

Surveillance laws are for controlling and monitoring the law abiding and ensuring the safety (power) of government (not the people). The sooner people realise they are nothing more than cash cow taxpayers serving an elite few and that these so called terrorist attacks (and associated media reporting \ fear engine tactics) are simple mechanisms to condition your thinking, the sooner you will truly be free.

Utter nonsense.

If this guy was planning this, which it seems likely to be the case, communications could potentially have been intercepted.

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#1197858 15-Dec-2014 15:26

heylinb4nz:
bigal_nz:
SaltyNZ: According to these guys, terrorism deaths are as high as 10 people a year. Well... in some places. Not here. Actually, here there haven't been any. But still: 10 people a year, in places far far away. John Key, get right on that please. I'm so very frightened.

Or perhaps the laws could help stop people like this http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11374445 before they do things like take hostages?

Your nieve if you think it cant happen in NZ.

Surveillance laws aren't going to do squat, picking up (or stealing) a gun is easy, walking into any crowded building and taking people hostage is easy, doesn't matter what your cause or reasoning behind it is, and you dont need on grid methods to organise and co-ordinate it.

Surveillance laws are for controlling and monitoring the law abiding and ensuring the safety (power) of government (not the people). The sooner people realise they are nothing more than cash cow taxpayers serving an elite few and that these so called terrorist attacks (and associated media reporting \ fear engine tactics) are simple mechanisms to condition your thinking, the sooner you will truly be free.

OMG!

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#1197861 15-Dec-2014 15:29

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heylinb4nz:
bigal_nz:
SaltyNZ: According to these guys, terrorism deaths are as high as 10 people a year. Well... in some places. Not here. Actually, here there haven't been any. But still: 10 people a year, in places far far away. John Key, get right on that please. I'm so very frightened.

Or perhaps the laws could help stop people like this http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11374445 before they do things like take hostages?

Your nieve if you think it cant happen in NZ.

Surveillance laws aren't going to do squat, picking up (or stealing) a gun is easy, walking into any crowded building and taking people hostage is easy, doesn't matter what your cause or reasoning behind it is, and you dont need on grid methods to organise and co-ordinate it.

Surveillance laws are for controlling and monitoring the law abiding and ensuring the safety (power) of government (not the people). The sooner people realise they are nothing more than cash cow taxpayers serving an elite few and that these so called terrorist attacks (and associated media reporting \ fear engine tactics) are simple mechanisms to condition your thinking, the sooner you will truly be free.

bollocks.

Just as scary as terrorists are people who are willing to give wholesale sweeping powers to governments (and their agencies) without any question whatsoever..all in the name of a false sense of safety...wish people would look at the bigger picture...and you talk about other having their heads in the sand.

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#1197864 15-Dec-2014 15:32

The whole hostage thing is obviously fake. The terrorists have guns. Guns are illegal in Australia, duh. Where is Jack Bauer when you need him anyway? [/s]

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#1197866 15-Dec-2014 15:41

DravidDavid: The whole hostage thing is obviously fake. The terrorists have guns. Guns are illegal in Australia, duh. Where is Jack Bauer when you need him anyway? [/s]

Jack Bauer would save the day :)

Guns are controlled in Aussie..more so since Port Arthur but still like NZ it isn't to hard to obtain one through illegal channels and in some cases legal channels via illegal means.

I've made suggestions to Police HQ in NZ on trying to plug some of those loopholes...but they don't seem interested....apparently they have plenty of smart people in Wellington already working on it...LOL.

To busy keeping tabs on licensed owners to worry about the fact you can obtain an AR15 with 30 round mags with no licence whatsoever.

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#1197867 15-Dec-2014 15:41

Where is Jack Bauer when you need him anyway? [/s]

Getting confessions by way of "enhanced interrogation"

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#1197871 15-Dec-2014 15:50

heylinb4nz:
Just as scary as terrorists are people who are willing to give wholesale sweeping powers to governments (and their agencies) without any question whatsoever..all in the name of a false sense of safety...wish people would look at the bigger picture...and you talk about other having their heads in the sand.

Exactly!

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#1197874 15-Dec-2014 15:58

This aussie cop looks like he is going to bust into the cafe dual wielding M4s. Action movie stylz !!

http://cdnmo.coveritlive.com/media/image/201412/1600_phpgxxq2zarmed.jpg

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#1197877 15-Dec-2014 16:01

ajobbins:
heylinb4nz:
Just as scary as terrorists are people who are willing to give wholesale sweeping powers to governments (and their agencies) without any question whatsoever..all in the name of a false sense of safety...wish people would look at the bigger picture...and you talk about other having their heads in the sand.

Exactly!

Bet my bottom dollar if it were you in that cafe or your Fiancee (Mother, daughter, sister, etc), you would be singing an entirely different tune.

All well and good to show bravado from the sidelines.

Never ceases to amaze me the number of seemingly intelligent people who insist on learning these lessons the hard way.

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#1197878 15-Dec-2014 16:02

heylinb4nz: This aussie cop looks like he is going to bust into the cafe dual wielding M4s. Action movie stylz !! http://cdnmo.coveritlive.com/media/image/201412/1600_phpgxxq2zarmed.jpg

Or as an entirely more reasonable explanation, he is carrying it to another police officer.

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#1197887 15-Dec-2014 16:13

networkn:
ajobbins:
heylinb4nz:
Just as scary as terrorists are people who are willing to give wholesale sweeping powers to governments (and their agencies) without any question whatsoever..all in the name of a false sense of safety...wish people would look at the bigger picture...and you talk about other having their heads in the sand.

Exactly!

Bet my bottom dollar if it were you in that cafe or your Fiancee (Mother, daughter, sister, etc), you would be singing an entirely different tune.

All well and good to show bravado from the sidelines.

Never ceases to amaze me the number of seemingly intelligent people who insist on learning these lessons the hard way.

Not really, i'm not sheeple, I don't entrust my safety to people who care less about me as a citizen and more about me for my lifetime tax paying ability. If anything id get pissy at the fact that they dont allow CCW permit for adequately trained civilians, if they did this whole drama may very well be over by now.

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