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#1256755 12-Mar-2015 06:55

Sanity prevailed

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/67258999/500yearold-kauri-to-stay-developer

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#1256756 12-Mar-2015 06:57

Aredwood: The environmentalists in this country are literally "mental". Some examples: They protested against and blocked the construction of the Project Aqua Hydro power scheme. This means power prices are higher and more power is generated with fossil fuels - higher carbon emissions. They (green party along with labour) Introduced subsidies for air conditioning systems (heatpumps). More power usage during summer - higher carbon emissions. But wait carbon emissions are now too high. So lets introduce a carbon tax. But now power prices are too high. So lets purpose more regulations in a already heavily regulated industry.

Gareth Morgan wanted to Help the native birds, lizards ect by getting rid of wild cats. And by trying to discourage domestic cat ownership. Where were the environmentalists to give him some support? If anything they were protesting against him. Presumably they are happy with the status quo of wild cats living outside in the wind and rain, mostly without proper food or vet care. Slaughtering native animals. The unregulated puppy and kitten mills that don't care about animal welfare. And the SPCA that is forced to kill (put down) lots of unwanted cats and dogs. Which are the "output" of the puppy and kitten mills.

They said that vehicle emissions are too high. So they decided to adopt the European emissions rules. Problem is these rules place restrictions on Nitrogen Oxides (NOx) emissions. But to reduce NOx emissions means that fuel usage increases - More carbon emissions. UK motoring forum sites have lots of threads on removing / disabling EGR (exhaust gas recirculation). Which is the main system for reducing NOx emissions. When you look at how expensive petrol and diesel are in the UK. You can see why people do that. And every Diesel engine I have disabled EGR on has given worthwhile gains in fuel economy. (And corresponding lower carbon emissions).

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That protester in the Kauri tree and the others on the ground have probably spread kauri dieback disease to that tree. And all the other ones on the property. So even if they succeed in saving that tree in the short term. The propery owner will them be allowed to cut it down along with all the other ones on his property. Due to them dying and becoming safety hazards.

Yeah I suppose it is mental to try to save the only home we have for future generations

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#1256763 12-Mar-2015 07:39

KiwiNZ: Sanity prevailed

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/67258999/500yearold-kauri-to-stay-developer

just wait for the media hype to die down then remove the tree

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#1256766 12-Mar-2015 07:43

Jase2985:
KiwiNZ: Sanity prevailed

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/67258999/500yearold-kauri-to-stay-developer

just wait for the media hype to die down then remove the tree

they don't want to touch the tree. instead, they are asking for compensation.

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#1256769 12-Mar-2015 07:45

Jase2985:
KiwiNZ: Sanity prevailed

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/67258999/500yearold-kauri-to-stay-developer

just wait for the media hype to die down then remove the tree

The tree will add value and esthetics to the property

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#1256770 12-Mar-2015 07:47

KiwiNZ:
Jase2985:
KiwiNZ: Sanity prevailed

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/67258999/500yearold-kauri-to-stay-developer

just wait for the media hype to die down then remove the tree

The tree will add value and esthetics to the property

im sorry but how will it add value? a comment like that is mind boggling

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#1256773 12-Mar-2015 07:52

Jase2985:
KiwiNZ:
Jase2985:
KiwiNZ: Sanity prevailed

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/67258999/500yearold-kauri-to-stay-developer

just wait for the media hype to die down then remove the tree

The tree will add value and esthetics to the property

im sorry but how will it add value? a comment like that is mind boggling

It's mind boggling that you cannot see that, but I guess some see more value in a barren plot where others see value in the beauty of nature.

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#1256796 12-Mar-2015 08:43

its 2 trees in amongst a heap of others in a year you will never even know they were gone

removing those trees is going to have ZERO, and ill repeat that again ZERO effect on the price of the property

but keep thinking that

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#1256797 12-Mar-2015 08:47

To be fair, whether the tree adds or detracts value (economic or otherwise) from the property depends (a) on the individual and (b) aggregate market.

Given it is already there, I think you would have to argue that it's removal could cause the property to lose value, rather than its non-removal adding value (unless one was referring to a greater rate of appreciation into the future).

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#1256820 12-Mar-2015 09:10

I was going to write something but gave up as I would be wasting my time. At the end of the day humans are destroying the planet for their own personal greed / laziness and one day it will all come to an end.

I am not perfect when it comes to nature but I'm certainly not going to put someone else down for trying to do their bit.

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#1256850 12-Mar-2015 09:43

Jase2985: its 2 trees in amongst a heap of others in a year you will never even know they were gone

removing those trees is going to have ZERO, and ill repeat that again ZERO effect on the price of the property

but keep thinking that

That is the thinking that has got us in the mess we are in.

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#1256861 12-Mar-2015 10:04

I don't know enough about this particular case to make much of informed comment and I suspect many people here don't either.

I will say that in general though, if I were a property developer, I would take pause before choosing to buy property in a heritage area with plans to chop down native trees.

I for one am happy to live in a beautiful country (which incidentally attracts significant tourism based on said beauty) and I hope we can keep at least parts of it that way. Yes, it's just one tree.... they're all just one tree.

EDIT: removed reference to "world heritage" - lol, my first sentence disclaimer was spot on I guess - but the rest of the post still stands ;-)

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#1256864 12-Mar-2015 10:11

If I was property shopping with an eye for development, having zero native trees on it before buying is looking more and more attractive now.

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#1256868 12-Mar-2015 10:16

So it's staying in place in exchange for compensation. That's fair if the owners have agreed to it.

If I was that land owner, I wouldn't be settling for anything less than 6 figures. Not sure if you could convince the local Iwi to separate with the kind of cash I would want in the name of nature when it came down to signing the cheque. You know, since it's such an important "500" year old tree and all, I'd say $800,000 was pretty fair. Otherwise, it would be coming down in place of a new swimming pool.

I suspect a swimming pool would add far more value to a property than a tree. But I could skip on the swimming pool if it meant I could buy another property without a tree planted on it and park an Aston Martin in the garage.

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#1256870 12-Mar-2015 10:17

richms: If I was property shopping with an eye for development, having zero native trees on it before buying is looking more and more attractive now.

Sounds sensible. I suspect many properties already meet that criteria. Not to mention many properties are not in heritage or protected areas. Something like 70% of the country. If you choose to buy in the other 30%, I suspect you need to be very careful.

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