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#3159364 14-Nov-2023 08:57

There are some quite strange posters starting to pop up around Wellington. Most of them are too incoherent to understand the message, but they appear to be aggressive in tone.

It makes me think that psychological distress is becoming increasingly prevalent, which is probably due to a confluence of covid, cost of living pressures, extreme weather events, and many other things.

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#3159370 14-Nov-2023 09:03

alasta:

There are some quite strange posters starting to pop up around Wellington. Most of them are too incoherent to understand the message, but they appear to be aggressive in tone.

It makes me think that psychological distress is becoming increasingly prevalent, which is probably due to a confluence of covid, cost of living pressures, extreme weather events, and many other things.

Lack of adequate mental health care.

And a surplus of manipulators deliberately targeting them to create more chaos.

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#3159389 14-Nov-2023 10:25

Maybe low-level Covid causes psychosis in the unvaccinated vulnerable.

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#3159425 14-Nov-2023 12:34

jonathan18:
allan: I'm missing the fire station connection. Firefighters are involved?

No - rather, as per a later post from sir1963, the local conspiracy theory crowd hang out at different intersections around Palmerston North to spread their love; they just happened to be outside the fire station that time.

They don’t seem to be out as much as they were previously, and I certainly see far fewer (if any) of their beautifully written but crazy messages written in chalk on the footpaths all around the city - perhaps their scribe had their talent recognised and has got a job doing hand-written signs?

I drive that way most evenings, and occasionally I hear a toot from someone giving them encouragement, which always fills me with despair. I found myself trying to think of a non-violent way to express the opposite sentiment. The otherwise deafening absence of toots seems completely inadequate to express how much the vast majority do not agree with these loonies. I think someone needs to invent the anti-toot.

Back to the original flyer, which I've received many times now - as a person who works in local government I find it simultaneously depressing and hilarious when they refer to the "unelected governing body of ALGIM" as being the mastermind behind the 15-min city conspiracy. It's hilarious to imagine this group from primarily IT-focussed public servants working to any kind of nefarious purpose (I've been to a couple of their conferences, and I must have missed the workshop where we plotted the downfall of decent society). But it's also depressing because they are using the tiniest sliver of a grain of truth (ALGIM do exist and are not elected - they are just another sector group for primarily professional development purposes) to give themselves the faintest hint of credibility. Because you can totally imagine a member of the public asking their local Council about ALGIM, and upon hearing it confirmed that ALGIM exists will start to wonder "what else are they right about?" And when someone in authority denies that ALGIM are organised for anything secret or nefarious, then the denial itself becomes part of their conspiracy. It's incredibly insidious and that is what depresses me and makes me anxious for where it goes next. In the same way that trust can be eroded by simple mistakes, credibility can be seeded from the mere appearance of plausibility. It's a lose-lose situation...

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#3159426 14-Nov-2023 12:38

Lizard1977:

I drive that way most evenings, and occasionally I hear a toot from someone giving them encouragement, which always fills me with despair. I found myself trying to think of a non-violent way to express the opposite sentiment. The otherwise deafening absence of toots seems completely inadequate to express how much the vast majority do not agree with these loonies. I think someone needs to invent the anti-toot.

Back to the original flyer, which I've received many times now - as a person who works in local government I find it simultaneously depressing and hilarious when they refer to the "unelected governing body of ALGIM" as being the mastermind behind the 15-min city conspiracy. It's hilarious to imagine this group from primarily IT-focussed public servants working to any kind of nefarious purpose (I've been to a couple of their conferences, and I must have missed the workshop where we plotted the downfall of decent society). But it's also depressing because they are using the tiniest sliver of a grain of truth (ALGIM do exist and are not elected - they are just another sector group for primarily professional development purposes) to give themselves the faintest hint of credibility. Because you can totally imagine a member of the public asking their local Council about ALGIM, and upon hearing it confirmed that ALGIM exists will start to wonder "what else are they right about?" And when someone in authority denies that ALGIM are organised for anything secret or nefarious, then the denial itself becomes part of their conspiracy. It's incredibly insidious and that is what depresses me and makes me anxious for where it goes next. In the same way that trust can be eroded by simple mistakes, credibility can be seeded from the mere appearance of plausibility. It's a lose-lose situation...

I have mentioned to the wife that I would like to join them with a sign that says

Conspiracy central

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#3159459 14-Nov-2023 13:31

Lizard1977:

I found myself trying to think of a non-violent way to express the opposite sentiment.

Form your hand into a open fist shape, like holding a broom stick
Open your car window
Using your wrist, move your hand up and down, quickly

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#3159491 14-Nov-2023 15:46

Only one I've ever received in my mailbox was from Voices for Freedom, something along the lines of "are you going to get your next Covid shot?" with all kinds of debunked crap on it.

I think it had the opposite effect though, as when I showed this to a work colleague he said, "oh thanks, that reminds me I need to get my booster". So at least it had an effect, right? Maybe just not the effect they were looking for 😀

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#3159513 14-Nov-2023 17:11

Lizard1977: I drive that way most evenings, and occasionally I hear a toot from someone giving them encouragement, which always fills me with despair.  I found myself trying to think of a non-violent way to express the opposite sentiment.  The otherwise deafening absence of toots seems completely inadequate to express how much the vast majority do not agree with these loonies.  I think someone needs to invent the anti-toot

They’re hanging out on the corner of Princess and Grey Streets this afternoon - the only sign I could easily read when going past was a hand-written ‘15 minute ~~cities~~ prisons’ one; the video from my car’s dashcam isn’t good enough to read any more of them, but the colour and design indicated all were VFF-produced. Have to admit I did provide them with a one-finger salute, but agree another gesture is definitely required!

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#3159515 14-Nov-2023 17:28

Just cross your eyes, point at your head, and make a twirling motion with your finger while sticking your tongue out.

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#3159533 14-Nov-2023 18:44

freitasm:

From the last pages, I can see the current conspiracy theory here is that the Green Party harbours conspiracy theorists.

Or are some of you getting things twisted?

thats really twisted.

nothing to do with me.

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#3160130 16-Nov-2023 13:01

sir1963:

Yes he got a some tings wrong, but given he had no access to DNA etc etc he did remarkably well.

What we STILL have is religious groups believing if they can prove Darwin wrong, god becomes the right answer.

We can now discount Darwin altogether and evolution is STILL correct and proven.

Something impressive about Darwin is that he could see the gaps in his own theory.

1) Was the mechanism of transmission of modifications. He had no idea about DNA, or genes (although he and Mendel were contemporaries). But he speculated about a similar mechanism.

2) He acknowledged \the existence of sterile social insects (worker bees etc) as problematic for his theory (since they never get to produce offspring). He speculated about Kin Selection, which wasn't really proven Bill Hamilton's work in the 1960s. Close to 100 years after OTOOTS was published.

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#3160135 16-Nov-2023 13:11

Back on the subject of conspiracy, I got a booklet about saying no to co-governance. Setting aside personal views, the booklet was really propaganda like, kind of paranoid and not very coherent. It looked like some expense had been taken to print and publish it.

Mike

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#3160137 16-Nov-2023 13:14

MikeAqua:

Back on the subject of conspiracy, I got a booklet about saying no to co-governance. Setting aside personal views, the booklet was really propaganda like, kind of paranoid and not very coherent. It looked like some expense had been taken to print and publish it.

Does the booklet give any idea as to what organisation or individual created it?

The most (in)famous material that's been widely produced is Julian Batchelor-generated content to accompany his 'tour'...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/132693599/dangerous-anti-cogovernance-booklet-might-be-in-breach-of-electoral-act

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#3160141 16-Nov-2023 13:42

MikeAqua:

Back on the subject of conspiracy, I got a booklet about saying no to co-governance. Setting aside personal views, the booklet was really propaganda like, kind of paranoid and not very coherent. It looked like some expense had been taken to print and publish it.

Did it talk about Chinese fleets, or stone walls in the Waikato, or the Waipoua stone city in Northland :)

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#3160165 16-Nov-2023 14:29

wellygary:

MikeAqua:

Back on the subject of conspiracy, I got a booklet about saying no to co-governance. Setting aside personal views, the booklet was really propaganda like, kind of paranoid and not very coherent. It looked like some expense had been taken to print and publish it.

Did it talk about Chinese fleets, or stone walls in the Waikato, or the Waipoua stone city in Northland :)

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